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post #2131 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It also wouldn't surprise me if the media didn't try very hard to find a picture from some less public source that more accurately represents what he looked like at the time of the shooting.

Not easy to find the date of photos, but the NY Times dates this photo as being from the fall of 2014. That would it put it within a month or two of his death.



This is the photo most commonly used, by far, by the media. It's undated.

post #2132 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Look, I'm not saying everything worked out like it should have in this case. But it's important to note that the cop who shoots isn't the one who hears that the gun might be fake and that Rice is younger than he might appear in silhouette. He's not the one who decided to drive the car practically on top of Rice.

That bit right there is really important. We saw the same thing in the Utah shooting. Gun reported in the area (by someone who felt "threatened"), cops coming roaring in. An immediate crisis is precipitated. They didn't need to rush in like that, nobody was directly being threatened. Reducing the stress and necessity for everybody involved to make accurate split second decisions is good for everybody.

Hell, Cleveland has open carry. I hope they have more discretion when people call in panicking because someone is open carrying a sidearm on the street.
post #2133 of 6095
Maybe you should have bolded the part where the caller says he's pointing it at people? The video pretty clearly shows him pointing the gun, drawing it from his waist, and things like that. And kids aren't allowed to carry handguns even in open carry states.

Also, looking at aerial photos of the park, it seems that the cops must have driven into the park from a side road. There are trees and shrubs and things that may have obscured their view of someone in the gazebo. Remember the caller said he was on the swings. They may not have known where Rice was until they were on top of him.

View from the side road:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cudell+Coms+Park/@41.477954,-81.751991,3a,77.7y,357.43h,83.08t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sbcAA4uL2k_cdVf128vDjnQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x8830f1c3bc8d9575:0xbffaf79ca1ca6ba6!6m1!1e1
post #2134 of 6095
Yeah, you can't expect police to arrive and fully observe the scene and make rational decisions based on an actual threat level. They have to be permitted to show up and start shooting when there has been no shooting on a moment's notice. For the children.
post #2135 of 6095
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New York City, NY — A teenager from the Bronx was recently paid $45,000 after she was wrongfully arrested and sexually harassed by a police officer. The officer was also assisted by a number of other NYPD cops who helped him take her into custody.

The incident occurred on November 4th of 2013 when a young girl named Natalie Erlich, who was 17-years-old at the time, was walking home from school. During her walk, she was approached by Officer José Peinan and another cop who were not in uniform and did not identify themselves as police officers.

According to court documents, Peinan made several attempts to flirt with the girl but was immediately brushed off, much to his disappointment. After the rejection, Peinan became aggressive with the girl and arrested her on bogus charges. The officer claimed that since the girl asked if he was a police officer, that she had “blown his cover.”

“I had on a camouflage hat and [Peinan] had on camouflage pants. He said, ‘We match.’ I brushed him off and I laughed,” Erlich told The New York Post. After that, she said that she attempted to walk away and avoid him, and that is when he became more aggressive.

“He said something slick like, ‘Where are you going?’” she said, adding that she told Peinan that she was going home and asked if he was a cop.

When the officer replied by saying “maybe,” she then told him that was “a cop answer,” and at that moment a swarm of officers descended upon the girl, and Peinan told them to handcuff her and take her into custody.

When asked why she was being arrested, Peinan told her that “You know why, you’re being a smartass.”

Erlich and one of her friends were then taken to jail and not released until 11 a.m the following day.

When she was finally released, Erlich decided to file a lawsuit against the officers and the police department for wrongful arrest and sexual harassment. According to the lawsuit, the girls were arrested because the officer was “angered at having his advances rebuffed.”

The lawsuit also states that the Erlich was groped by police while they were arresting her.

To avoid more details coming out in court, the city agreed to settle the case with a $45,000 hush payment.

Officer Peinan is currently the target of 3 other lawsuits and has reportedly not received any disciplinary action.


But he got home safe at the end of his shift, that's all that matters.
post #2136 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Yeah, you can't expect police to arrive and fully observe the scene and make rational decisions based on an actual threat level. They have to be permitted to show up and start shooting when there has been no shooting on a moment's notice. For the children.

No way, "I saw somebody with a gun and he's kinda making me nervous" has got to be enough reason to be a hero.
post #2137 of 6095
By pure body count, proactive broken windows policing and throw away the key sentences save more lives than reactive policing (which is being practiced now in Baltimore) and rapping about feelings on bean bags. The New York experiment demonstrates this fact.

If cops want to go home at the end of their shift, wait for the 911 call, give it a few minutes, and start taking snapshots of the bodies.

Yes, I know there are a lot of bad cops who are crazy psychopaths, but were talking bulk body counts here. Let's not be distracted by trifles. Which pile is bigger? Which pile requires more front end loaders to clear the street?
post #2138 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

But he got home safe at the end of his shift, that's all that matters.

$45k for sexual harassment and false arrest of a minor? They didn't hire the birdman.
post #2139 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

By pure body count, proactive broken windows policing and throw away the key sentences save more lives than reactive policing (which is being practiced now in Baltimore) and rapping about feelings on bean bags. The New York experiment demonstrates this fact.

If cops want to go home at the end of their shift, wait for the 911 call, give it a few minutes, and start taking snapshots of the bodies.

Yes, I know there are a lot of bad cops who are crazy psychopaths, but were talking bulk body counts here. Let's not be distracted by trifles. Which pile is bigger? Which pile requires more front end loaders to clear the street?

That's complete bullshit. An improving economy, more abortions, and gentrification made En Why Sea safer, not this dogshit broken window crap.
post #2140 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

That's complete bullshit. An improving economy, more abortions, and gentrification made En Why Sea safer, not this dogshit broken window crap.

I wasn't going to bother responding to that post, but since you broke the seal:

NYC's crime rate basically directly tracked the national averages. Broken windows policing might work, but there's no evidence to support that idea. It certainly has large financial and social costs.

post #2141 of 6095
Harold is whack on this, but he's our whack.

Lots of po po mean crimez a no no.
post #2142 of 6095
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Carol Bowne was fatally stabbed by an ex-boyfriend late Wednesday night just outside her Berlin home, she had been waiting since mid April.

Although the 39-year-old longtime hair stylist had filed a restraining order against suspect Michael Eitel, 45, the man allegedly attacked her shortly after 10 p.m. upon Bowne’s arrival at her Patton Avenue home.

The Camden County Prosecutor’s Office, who is aiding in the search for the suspect who remains at large, did not plan to release additional information pertaining to the case on Friday.

According to reports, Bowne submitted her application for a gun license on April 21 and went to see where the process stood two days before her death. Reports also indicate the police department had not yet received the results of her fingerprinting.

Check said Friday that he did not wish to discuss circumstances surrounding Bowne’s application. . . .

In all, the 2- to 3-month timeline may be a little shorter, but usually longer, the chief said, noting that he was not aware of any 30-day constraint for his department to sign off on an application when asked about the state statute. . . .


You don't have the right to self-defense, that's only allowed for pigs and the rich.





Thanks, statist pigfucks. You really do know what's best for us.
post #2143 of 6095

This whole thing is just high comedy:

 

 

That high school girl in a bikini was totally hiding a weapon. Totally. 

 

I can't believe it got better after the ninja roll in the very beginning. 

post #2144 of 6095
I count... nine hostile people surrounding the cop when he draws the gun.
post #2145 of 6095

notsureifsrs.

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