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post #1876 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

This is just like old times. This is the New York the rest of America knew and loved in 1979.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/10/central-park-two-muggings-over-weekend/

Two observations:

Nothing to do with out of control police.

Not even close to a "wilding."
post #1877 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Two observations:

Nothing to do with out of control police.

Not even close to a "wilding."

By August 2016, it will all make sense, and the post will be regarded as prescient.
post #1878 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Two observations:

Nothing to do with out of control police.

Not even close to a "wilding."
That's because the wilding took place at the Guggenheim
post #1879 of 6213
I miss dangerous Times Square. Porn, Ninja shops, drugs on every corner. Now it's all Disney Store and Guy Fieri's restaurants. I don't see how this is possibly better.

Fuck Giuliani in his stupid Italian face.
post #1880 of 6213
You left out getting fake ID from Playland
post #1881 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I miss dangerous Times Square. Porn, Ninja shops, drugs on every corner. Now it's all Disney Store and Guy Fieri's restaurants. I don't see how this is possibly better.

We know, Harvey Stormcrow, and that's why you're so much fun, in your own inimitable way.

I'm more middle of the road when it comes to the issue. Cops vs. Criminals.

I believe the following:

1. There are bad people
2. Some of them are violent, psychopathic, predatory
3. Crime is down because our prisons have been filled up with miscreants, hoodlums, yobs, and thugs
4. Cops aren't perfect, and some of them fall under category number 2 (as do some D.A.'s)
5. The number of people killed by cops is less than the number of people killed by non-cops

If we rid ourselves of cops, we would live in a more dangerous place, although a more Constitutional place.

Safety vs. Liberty and all that. We can lean on the side of liberty, but many on the civil rights(TM) side of things would not . . . appreciate . . . the resulting justice system.
post #1882 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post



5. The number of people killed by cops is far, far less than the number of people killed by non-cops

FTFY

But I'm guessing you already knew it.
post #1883 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

We know, Harvey Stormcrow, and that's why you're so much fun, in your own inimitable way.

I'm more middle of the road when it comes to the issue. Cops vs. Criminals.

I believe the following:

1. There are bad people
2. Some of them are violent, psychopathic, predatory
3. Crime is down because our prisons have been filled up with miscreants, hoodlums, yobs, and thugs
4. Cops aren't perfect, and some of them fall under category number 2 (as do some D.A.'s)
5. The number of people killed by cops is less than the number of people killed by non-cops

If we rid ourselves of cops, we would live in a more dangerous place, although a more Constitutional place.

Safety vs. Liberty and all that. We can lean on the side of liberty, but many on the civil rights(TM) side of things would not . . . appreciate . . . the resulting justice system.

1. Yes, many of them are in positions of authority.
2. Yes, many of them are in positions of authority.
3. No, it's because of abortions, Freakonomics told us this.
4. Cops are pieces of shit.
5. Not even fucking close.

14,196 people killed in 2014 (this probably includes cops killing people) out of 350 million.
Cops killed 1,101 people in 2014 out of 765,000 cops.

So you are .004056% likely to be killed, but .143921568% likely to be killed by a cop if you are killed. Cops are fucking garbage. I've never met one that isn't a complete piece of shit.

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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

FTFY

But I'm guessing you already knew it.

I love you rnoldh, but stop drinking the kool-aid.
post #1884 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I miss dangerous Times Square. Porn, Ninja shops, drugs on every corner. Now it's all Disney Store and Guy Fieri's restaurants. I don't see how this is possibly better.

Fuck Giuliani in his stupid Italian face.

The first time I ever went to NYC was in the late-80's/early-90's. Walking around Times Square with my older cousin was a very educational experience and a rather fond memory of mine.
post #1885 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

14,196 people killed in 2014 (this probably includes cops killing people) out of 350 million.
Cops killed 1,101 people in 2014 out of 765,000 cops.

So you are .004056% likely to be killed, but .143921568% likely to be killed by a cop if you are killed.

That leaves 84% killed by non-cops. Sounds like my odds are better with the cops.

The question is, should the thugs and hooligans be contained? If yes, who will do that? You're not going to solve the problem by handing out meth pipes and coke needles.

If we don't have cops, we don't have prosecutions, and we don't have Harold in court.

If we don't have cops, then we should understand that policing the murderers, rioters, white collar crooks, and Democrats will become everyone's responsibility.
post #1886 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

That leaves 84% killed by non-cops. Sounds like my odds are better with the cops.

The question is, should the thugs and hooligans be contained? If yes, who will do that? You're not going to solve the problem by handing out meth pipes and coke needles.

If we don't have cops, we don't have prosecutions, and we don't have Harold in court.

If we don't have cops, then we should understand that policing the murderers, rioters, white collar crooks, and Democrats will become everyone's responsibility.

No, if you are in a situation with a civilian vs in a situation with a cop you are less likely to be killed by a civilian. You have to take in to account how many civilians there are (350 million) against the number of cops there are (765,000).

Yes, meth pipes and crack and heroin needles (nobody does coke by needle) will keep them sedated and quiet.

I can make do on divorcees.

I'm only really concerned about the murderers, and again, cops are more likely to kill than civilians, so I don't see any benefit to them. I've never called the police and I can't imagine a situation where I would.
post #1887 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post


3. Crime is down because our prisons have been filled up with miscreants, hoodlums, yobs, and thugs
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post


3. No, it's because of abortions, Freakonomics told us this.

I believe Freakonomics said there is a correlation but not a causation. I don't think filling our prisons has done much to decrease crime. I still believe that an improved economy and standard of living across the board has contributed the most. I also believe the best way to decrease crime further is to decriminalize drugs and other victimless crimes. When we criminalized alcohol, crime went up, when it became decriminalized, crime dropped again.
post #1888 of 6213
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


I believe Freakonomics said there is a correlation but not a causation. I don't think filling our prisons has done much to decrease crime. I still believe that an improved economy and standard of living across the board has contributed the most. I also believe the best way to decrease crime further is to decriminalize drugs and other victimless crimes. When we criminalized alcohol, crime went up, when it became decriminalized, crime dropped again.


Locking them up means they can't do what they do . . . to us. Crime is much much lower than several decades ago. As far as opportunity, those who don't complete high school have no viable option anymore. Illegal immigration forces many youngsters out of the construction industry.

I don't believe decriminalizing meth or crack or heroin will reduce the crime rate. Drugs will be more expensive when regulated and taxed, and folks are going to get their fix one way or another.
post #1889 of 6213
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Locking them up means they can't do what they do . . . to us. Crime is much much lower than several decades ago. As far as opportunity, those who don't complete high school have no viable option anymore. Illegal immigration forces many youngsters out of the construction industry.

I don't believe decriminalizing meth or crack or heroin will reduce the crime rate. Drugs will be more expensive when regulated and taxed, and folks are going to get their fix one way or another.

The people locked up are mostly non-violent drug offenders. Please protect me from these people. I actually think it makes us less safe for a very simple to understand reason: it diverts police resources from violent crimes. How many federal, state, and local police officers are used to combat drugs or prostitution?

When we decreased the legal limit for drunk driving, we saw an increase is DUI deaths (but more arrests! Yay!). Why? Because cops are no longer focusing on those who are clearly drunk driving and instead setting up checkpoints to arrest everyone who are at .08 or above.
post #1890 of 6213
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

The people locked up are mostly non-violent drug offenders. Please protect me from these people. I actually think it makes us less safe for a very simple to understand reason: it diverts police resources from violent crimes. How many federal, state, and local police officers are used to combat drugs or prostitution?

When we decreased the legal limit for drunk driving, we saw an increase is DUI deaths (but more arrests! Yay!). Why? Because cops are no longer focusing on those who are clearly drunk driving and instead setting up checkpoints to arrest everyone who are at .08 or above.


I understand that more policing can have unintended consequences.

As far as non-violent offenders, I would rather not have car thieves, burglars, and scam artists running around preying on working people. If they can't live in society, well, they can't live in society. Time to go to prison, so we can help these people get dressed in the morning, eat at regular intervals, and have free play. Little kids go to time out. Big kids go to prison.
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