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post #181 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Xiaogou View Post

Hi Harvey,

If you are referring to Saylor, police gave him lawful commands to leave. If you are talking about that video of that kid in the car at the checkpoint, instructing him to roll his window all the way is a lawful command.

A little off topic...we have county judges at all checkpoints that will sign a search warrant on the spot, that includes taking someone for a blood test.

I don't know where you live but telling Saylor to leave just based on what was in the video was not a lawful command. Just based on the video Saylor was not interfering with the police and they had no right to tell him to go anywhere. Now, I admit I don't know what happened before the video, but police are not allowed to tell you to move just because they feel like it.

As for the kid at the checkpoint, I don't know where that occurred so maybe it's different there, but in PA at least, there is no requirement you fully open your window at a DUI checkpoint. You are only required to provide identification, registration, and proof of insurance if asked. There was no reasonable suspicion the kid was doing anything wrong to require him to pull over for further scrutiny. Not being nice to the cop is not reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. It's also very telling they refused to tell him he was being detained. Instead, they bullied and intimidated him into forfeiting his right to remain free from an illegal search.
post #182 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Xiaogou View Post

A little off topic...we have county judges at all checkpoints that will sign a search warrant on the spot, that includes taking someone for a blood test.
Jesus Christ. Where do you live? I'm not sure I ever want to go there.
post #183 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Xiaogou View Post

Is anybody really asking for tanks in Main Street America? You complain about rights being taken away by quoting Hitler. You seem to be okay with Hitler style gun control! The 2nd Amendment guarantees the rest of the constitution.

Heh, I'm actually one of the biggest supporters of the 2nd Amendment, but that's not the point I'm trying to make; sorry if I'm not being clear.

The issue that I have is what exactly do local law enforcement in small towns across America need with vehicles like these, especially the olive drab ones that look like they were meant for operation in a theater of war?:







It just seems to me that they're trying to circumvent the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the use of military for law enforcement purposes. Instead of having the military police us, they're simply militarizing law enforcement. This is disturbing because we have police officers and soldiers for two completely different reasons. So why are we training police officers to act like soldiers, equipping them and dressing them like soldiers? The more frightening thing inevitably becomes then, what happens when police officers, who are sworn to protect and serve, pick up the mentality of soldiers? Soldiers, whose job it is to engage enemy combatants and kill them?

That's what bothers me so much. It just all seems too similar to any police state we can look back on in history. Just look at any small-town parade (like this past 4th of July) where local law enforcement trots out all their brand-new DHS-funded military hardware and allows the kids in the community to climb all over it and see how cool it is. They're visually training the next generation of young people to see that this absurd use of military equipment in their communities is both cool and necessary for their protection.

Anyway, the whole reason I posted all this stuff to begin with is because in my mind, I see a correlation between the recent militarization of the police over the past couple decades and the many civil rights abuses being committed by them. Because I think that mental transformation from cop to soldier is well under way.
post #184 of 6080
http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/09/get-ready-for-more-dui-checkpoint-video
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Deputy A.J. Ross, the deputy who speaks directly to Kalbaugh in the video, has an interesting past of his own, involving a certain lackadaisical attitude toward his job and a more take it or leave it stance toward motor vehicle rules than you might guess from the video. According to WSMV:

Deputy AJ Ross has faced scrutiny in the past and has actually worked for the department on two different occasions.

His personnel file shows Ross left the sheriff's department in 2004. He resigned instead of being terminated after failing to show up to testify in court on a day when he had dozens of criminal cases on the docket.

He also missed a grand jury appearance, according to the file.

On top of all that, Ross lied about having insurance when he rear-ended someone in his pickup truck, the file shows.

This is the man you want enforcing your laws?
post #185 of 6080
A cop missed a day of court and didn't have insurance on one of his vehicles? The mad men are in charge of asylum in Tennessee!
post #186 of 6080
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

A cop missed a day of court and didn't have insurance on one of his vehicles? The mad men are in charge of asylum in Tennessee!

I never took you for a criminal apologist. This man broke the law. You're ok with that?
post #187 of 6080
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

I never took you for a criminal apologist. This man broke the law. You're ok with that?

I am sure there are other instances where this Sheriff Buford wannabe committed criminal and possibly felonious acts which were swept under the rug by LEO. That doesn't even begin to address the dereliction of duty and letting other criminals go free by blowing off your court appearances. Unless.... that was the plan from the start.....
post #188 of 6080
http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/10/swat-team-raids-home-of-libertarian-acti

The jist of the article. Libertarian activist posts video of him loading a shotgun talking about a new revolution for open carry. Police knock in door and use a flashbang grenade then arrest him for possession of shrooms. Cops apparently had an armored car and multiple helicopters on the scene.

Tax dollars at work.
post #189 of 6080
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/10/swat-team-raids-home-of-libertarian-acti

The jist of the article. Libertarian activist posts video of him loading a shotgun talking about a new revolution for open carry. Police knock in door and use a flashbang grenade then arrest him for possession of shrooms. Cops apparently had an armored car and multiple helicopters on the scene.

Tax dollars at work.

This is sickening.
post #190 of 6080
Well that was rather dumb of him to have psychedelic mushrooms in his possession after committing an act of civil disobedience he was likely to get arrested for.
post #191 of 6080
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/10/swat-team-raids-home-of-libertarian-acti

The jist of the article. Libertarian activist posts video of him loading a shotgun talking about a new revolution for open carry. Police knock in door and use a flashbang grenade then arrest him for possession of shrooms. Cops apparently had an armored car and multiple helicopters on the scene.

Tax dollars at work.

Well at least they didn't have any drones. That would have been across the line.
post #192 of 6080
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Originally Posted by burningbright View Post

This is sickening.
Indeed, what a loser.
post #193 of 6080
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Originally Posted by CDFS View Post

Indeed, what a loser.

What do you think makes him a loser?
post #194 of 6080
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Originally Posted by burningbright View Post

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/10/swat-team-raids-home-of-libertarian-acti

The jist of the article. Libertarian activist posts video of him loading a shotgun talking about a new revolution for open carry. Police knock in door and use a flashbang grenade then arrest him for possession of shrooms. Cops apparently had an armored car and multiple helicopters on the scene.

Tax dollars at work.

This His version of what happened is sickening.

There's just no way he could be exaggerating any of this to score political points. Nuh uh, no way no how.
post #195 of 6080
There's just no way cops could be exaggerating on warrant applications or when testifying just to make their jobs easier. Nuh uh. No way no how.
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