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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I clicked the first one, and this was it: cop runs over a drunk at 4 AM on New Year's.

http://www.wggb.com/2015/01/01/longmeadow-man-dead-after-being-struck-by-chatham-police-cruiser/

And? Was he not killed by a cop?

I've seen enough of cops' driving skills to know they're incredibly reckless at time. The ones around here constantly run lights, pass in the median, etc., with a casual flip of their siren that mysteriously turns off as soon as they're across the intersection.
post #1772 of 6235

Clayton County, Mo, shooting and killing of disturbed man with a Bible and a knife,

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/04/18/police-shoot-kill-man-armed-with-knife-and-bible/

Did Thaddeus commit Suicide By Cop, or was too much force involved?
post #1773 of 6235
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The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.

Of 28 examiners with the FBI Laboratory’s microscopic hair comparison unit, 26 overstated forensic matches in ways that favored prosecutors in more than 95 percent of the 268 trials reviewed so far, according to the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL) and the Innocence Project, which are assisting the government with the country’s largest post-conviction review of questioned forensic evidence.

The cases include those of 32 defendants sentenced to death. Of those, 14 have been executed or died in prison, the groups said under an agreement with the government to release results after the review of the first 200 convictions.

The FBI errors alone do not mean there was not other evidence of a convict’s guilt. Defendants and federal and state prosecutors in 46 states and the District are being notified to determine whether there are grounds for appeals. Four defendants were previously exonerated.

The admissions mark a watershed in one of the country’s largest forensic scandals, highlighting the failure of the nation’s courts for decades to keep bogus scientific information from juries, legal analysts said. The question now, they said, is how state authorities and the courts will respond to findings that confirm long-suspected problems with subjective, pattern-based forensic techniques — like hair and bite-mark comparisons — that have contributed to wrongful convictions in more than one-quarter of 329 DNA-exoneration cases since 1989.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-forensic-hair-matches-in-nearly-all-criminal-trials-for-decades/2015/04/18/39c8d8c6-e515-11e4-b510-962fcfabc310_story.html

Fucking pig assholes should be crucified at the alter of assholes. Remember this fucking foo.gif next time one of you fuckers is on a jury with DNA or other expert testimony.


EDIT -

OF COURSE FUCKING FLORIDA IS THE WORST! MORE THAN TEXAS AND PENNSYLVANIA COMBINED!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/fbi-hair/
post #1774 of 6235
Apparently the cop that ran the guy over on purpose has dubbed himself "Robocop." Granted, this was prior to the incident, but giving yourself a nickname?
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Image is everything. Recently he changed his avatar on forums.officer.com.

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If they are innocent, then they wouldn't have been arrested in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

If they are innocent, then they wouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

You honestly still believe this?
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Innocence is determined after an arrest.

But how about this. Those that don't resist arrest have a vastly better chance of a good outcome. I have sympathy for those that didn't resist arrest. IE Tamir Rice, the guy in Walmart with the toy gun, and the guy in the Brooklyn projects hallway.

And NO!!!! I don't think those from Mike Brown to Garner "deserved to die". But I think they certainly increased their chances of a bad outcome by resisting arrest.
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

You honestly still believe this?

I can honestly never tell if Lighthouse is trolling or not. Truly impressive, either way.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Apparently the cop that ran the guy over on purpose has dubbed himself "Robocop." Granted, this was prior to the incident, but giving yourself a nickname?

Here's another self proclaimed "Robocop",

http://heavy.com/news/2015/03/william-melendez-officer-robocop-inkster-michigan-police-floyd-dent-beating-brutality-arrest-video-photos-lawsuit-suspended-investigation-detroit/

Apparently, Robocops are a cut above in Macho Policing.

A Michigan police officer nicknamed “Robocop” has been arrested and fired from his job after being caught on dashcam video with another officer brutally beating an unarmed suspect during a traffic stop in the Detroit suburb of Inkster.

Officer William Melendez, a former Detroit cop who was investigated for excessive force, planting evidence and in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man while on the force there, was charged with two counts of assault to do bodily harm, the Wayne County Prosecutor announced April 20.

According to WDIV, Melendez has also been charged with misconduct in office and mistreatment of a prisoner.

The video of Melendez and other officers arresting Floyd Dent, a 57-year-old black father and Ford auto worker with no criminal history, has gone viral, led to protests and has drawn comparisons to the beating of Rodney King.

The charges against Dent were dropped, WDIV reports. The incident occurred January 23 and the investigation began in March after the video surfaced.
post #1781 of 6235
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Innocence is determined after an arrest.

I love ya, rnoldh, but this is incorrect. At least here in the first world you are presumed innocent. Even arrested individuals are presumed innocent. Only if convicted is a person guilty.
post #1782 of 6235
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I love ya, rnoldh, but this is incorrect. At least here in the first world you are presumed innocent. Even arrested individuals are presumed innocent. Only if convicted is a person guilty.

rnoldh's attitude seems like part of the problem with how cops operate. They want to believe that anyone they try to arrest is guilty at the moment of suspicion (and thus can be treated as a disgusting criminal). So you get this nonsense where people who haven't done anything wrong don't instantly comply, get arrested for resisting arrest, then face a whole battery of nonsense charges that all stem from not being a good little sheep and baaaa'ing on command.

Cops obviously have a much lower standard of evidence to follow, but "haul 'em in and figure it out at the courthouse" makes for a very adversarial system. Spending an extra five minutes to talk to someone would resolve many of these situations, or getting rid of the dumb laws/policies that criminalize nuisance behavior. We've managed to engineer way too many opportunities for interactions with the police, and every encounter has a chance of violence.


Of course this attitude isn't ubiquitous with police. Pretty much if you're in a well off area, the police are a a lot more likely to be friendly and just tell you to stop being a dumbfuck than to drag you off kicking and screaming. And they're not going to pull you over on suspicion either.
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He's completely right, or at least ya'll are misreading what he's saying, which is that even if you really are innocent, when a cop tries to arrest you, you should comply and sort it out later.
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I am well aware of the presumption of innocence. I was talking in a practical sense. When someone is being arrested, it is not the time to protest innocence and resist the arrest ( though they well may be innocent ). Better to be alive and arrested than a dead martyr. Tamir Rice, sadly, is a martyr of sorts.Many like Mike Brown were criminals not martyrs.

As much as it is distasteful to think that innocent people are arrested all the time. It is also distasteful to think that a great many police violence cases would not have happened if there was no resistance at the time of the arrest.

Sure, there are endemic problems with our Justice system, and there are many injustices perpetrated. But as a rule, it is not wise to resist arrest.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

I am well aware of the presumption of innocence. I was talking in a practical sense. When someone is being arrested, it is not the time to protest innocence and resist the arrest ( though they well may be innocent ). Better to be alive and arrested than a dead martyr. Tamir Rice, sadly, is a martyr of sorts.Many like Mike Brown were criminals not martyrs.

As much as it is distasteful to think that innocent people are arrested all the time. It is also distasteful to think that a great many police violence cases would not have happened if there was no resistance at the time of the arrest.

Sure, there are endemic problems with our Justice system, and there are many injustices perpetrated. But as a rule, it is not wise to resist arrest.

That's all true, but it's putting the burden on the wrong people. We shouldn't live in a police state, where absolute compliance to authority is a routine and accepted part of life.

Obviously it's smart to take steps to avoid getting your ass kicked by the police. "Comply" and "Don't break the law" are pretty obvious things people should be doing. But limiting the conversation to that is really missing a lot of opportunities to avoid many of those interactions in the first place, and come up with a better society on the other end.
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