Originally Posted by Harold falcon
I love ya, rnoldh, but this is incorrect. At least here in the first world you are presumed innocent. Even arrested individuals are presumed innocent. Only if convicted is a person guilty.
rnoldh's attitude seems like part of the problem with how cops operate. They want to believe that anyone they try to arrest is guilty at the moment of suspicion (and thus can be treated as a disgusting criminal). So you get this nonsense where people who haven't done anything wrong don't instantly comply, get arrested for resisting arrest, then face a whole battery of nonsense charges that all stem from not being a good little sheep and baaaa'ing on command.
Cops obviously have a much lower standard of evidence to follow, but "haul 'em in and figure it out at the courthouse" makes for a very adversarial system. Spending an extra five minutes to talk to someone would resolve many of these situations, or getting rid of the dumb laws/policies that criminalize nuisance behavior. We've managed to engineer way too many opportunities for interactions with the police, and every encounter has a chance of violence.
Of course this attitude isn't ubiquitous with police. Pretty much if you're in a well off area, the police are a a lot more likely to be friendly and just tell you to stop being a dumbfuck than to drag you off kicking and screaming. And they're not going to pull you over on suspicion either.