Originally Posted by Ataturk
The individual systems DO provide transparency. What you want are aggregations so you can make conclusions about one police department from statistics of others they have little or nothing to do with.
If there's no list of individual departments and their statistics, no one would know to look at the ones that are troublesome. It's absurd to have to pull through thousands of individual localities to find which ones are actually bad actors. The point isn't just to lump everything together and scream about how awful police are.
If someone reaches into his waistband and a cop shoots him, and it turns out he was just bluffing to provoke the cop, is that a "mistake"?
What convenient framing by Ataturk. Nah, nobody is actually reaching for a phone or wallet. They're trying to provoke the cops.
By definition if I'm half sure you're going to kill me, there's a 50% chance I'm wrong.
So...the police's entirely personal and subjective assessment determines reality
now. That must be a neat power.
The whole point is that the cop's assessment of risk is not necessarily correct, to the point of putting "very likely a threat" when the correct assessment is "not a threat at all." Nobody should be expecting perfect knowledge of a situation, but "yeah well any cop would have made the same mistake" (and the cops making that determination) is not a comforting system of after the fact analysis.
I admit it's not a perfect comparison, but if that's your position, why do you want statistics in the first place?
Uhh....so we know how often police are utilizing the state monopoly of force, and in what circumstances? I mean, holy shit, how would you NOT want to know that? This isn't some "find reasons to shout about how black people are oppressed" crusade. This is investigating the possible and likely misuse of the biggest power our government has, killing it's own citizens
. I'm honestly concerned that anyone wouldn't
want to know.
I'm not sure where you're getting this from, but younger officers are more likely to be in situations where they have to shoot. The more seniority you get, the less likely you are to be kicking in doors, stopping cars, cruising around looking for criminals, or the first on the scene of a 911 call. The young cops are the ones who can keep up with the bad guy when he runs. Etc.
According to the analysis, they (apparently) corrected for that. Of course, given the shitty data, who knows?
A minute ago you didn't know what the number of bad shoots was, now you're saying there's too many?
We don't know the total number, but the number that is
known is disturbingly large. The actual number is, by necessity, larger than that, which is not encouraging.