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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I think a dash of skepticism is a very good thing but at some point we have to stop rejecting data that gives conclusions we do not expect or we'll end up cherry picking what data we accept into nothing more than confirmation bias.

I'm rejecting the FBI data because it's terrible, not because it has data that I don't expect. I wouldn't make any kind of conclusions from such incomplete data, especially when the incompleteness isn't random.
post #1682 of 6095
I'm waiting for the FBI report from South Carolina, showing that the state's enforcement of child support orders has a disproportionate impact on blacks and claiming that it's racially motivated because someone forwarded an e-mail with an offensive joke in it.
post #1683 of 6095
Oh, and before you think that's just empty race baiting, people really are arguing this already:

"One-Eighth Of South Carolina Inmates Were Jailed Over Child Support Payments. Walter Scott Was One Of Them."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/10/walter-scott-child-support-_n_7036174.html
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In a separate study in 2010, Patterson surveyed hundreds of cases across South Carolina and found that low-income, noncustodial parents like Scott often ended up in jail without being represented by an attorney in civil court. In fact, the study showed that over 98 percent of parents being held in contempt for non-payment of child support did not have legal counsel. Ninety-five percent of the parents held in contempt ended up being sentenced to jail, with an average sentence of three months.

Seventy-five percent of the parents Patterson examined in her 2010 paper were indigent, meaning they testified that they were presently or previously unemployed or that they were having difficulties finding work. And nearly 70 percent of the noncustodial parent-debtors were black, even though blacks made up less than 28 percent of South Carolina's population that year.

"Walter Scott And Child Support: Did The Threat Of Jail Contribute To His Death?"

http://www.ibtimes.com/walter-scott-child-support-did-threat-jail-contribute-his-death-1876170
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“Black men live in constant fear, period. And I think the fear that Mr. Scott had was on different levels,” said Pate. “There needs to be more uncovering of how the child support system works and whether it helps families who are really poor. For families that are making less than $10,000 [a year], is it helping those children be in a better place when they know their parents are under constant stress of being locked up?”

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Nationally, about three in four noncustodial parents with a child support agreement made good on their promise to pay from 1994 to 2002, according to a 2007 report by the Administration for Children and Families. But the rate among blacks was 62 percent, the lowest of any ethnic group. Of the African-Americans who did pay, only 44 percent of the full child support amount was given, compared with 62 percent of the agreement for whites, 53 percent for Hispanics and 58 percent for Asians.

Making people pay for their kids is racist.
post #1684 of 6095
If child support payment laws aren't helping the child nor the parent then that needs to be fixed. That seems pretty logical to me.
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

If child support payment laws aren't helping the child nor the parent then that needs to be fixed. That seems pretty logical to me.

The problem with this is this topic is one where right wing conservatives agree with left wing feminists. Good luck ever rationalizing these laws.
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Yeah, I mean, obviously the situation needs to be fixed. The court says: get a job or go to jail. But if he works, they'd take half his income! How unfair is that -- just because he fathered four kids! When millionaires and billionaires making more than $250,000 a year aren't paying their fair share? How about they try giving up half their income and see how easy it is?
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Yeah, I mean, obviously the situation needs to be fixed. The court says: get a job or go to jail. But if he works, they'd take half his income! How unfair is that -- just because he fathered four kids! When millionaires and billionaires making more than $250,000 a year aren't paying their fair share? How about they try giving up half their income and see how easy it is?

How is this anywhere near related to the topic?

Can you not see that it's less about fairness then outcomes? No shit someone with 4 kids and no job is a dropkick. But why not focus on ways in which the situation can be improved?
Edited by hendrix - 4/10/15 at 10:06pm
post #1688 of 6095
Did you not read the excerpts I posted? It does work. Most men pay at least some of their child support (at least that's how I read it -- that the 62% of black fathers who paid anything paid, overall, 44% of what they were ordered to pay).

Do you think they're doing it voluntarily? If you followed the link you'd see that the amount of support paid has increased significantly since the 90's as the government has taken a more active role in getting orders and enforcing them.

This is kind of important since 70+% of black kids are born out of wedlock.
post #1689 of 6095
Black fatherhood has been surrendered to the state. Black fathers are disposable. So the state puts them in jail. In loco governmentalis.
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Black fatherhood has been surrendered to the state. Black fathers are disposable. So the state puts them in jail. In loco governmentalis.

When the state takes Daddy away, the state becomes the families benevolent Uncle Sam.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Did you not read the excerpts I posted? It does work. Most men pay at least some of their child support (at least that's how I read it -- that the 62% of black fathers who paid anything paid, overall, 44% of what they were ordered to pay).

Do you think they're doing it voluntarily? If you followed the link you'd see that the amount of support paid has increased significantly since the 90's as the government has taken a more active role in getting orders and enforcing them.

This is kind of important since 70+% of black kids are born out of wedlock.

I guess I struggle to see how you can look at that information and think that the system is working.
post #1692 of 6095
Here's a bad incident,

Police officers fired 17 times at unarmed Mexican man shot dead in Washington,

Antonio Zambrano-Montes hit by ‘five to six’ bullets, investigators say
37-year-old was shot dead after running away from three officers


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/25/police-officers-fired-17-times-antonio-zambrano-montes-unarmed-mexican-man-washington

This incident seems like an extreme example of too much force, yet I had not heard much about it.

I think there is an obvious hierarchy of police brutality incidents.

White Cops killing black Perps is rated best.

White Cops killing white Perps is worthless.

Black Cops killing black Perps is almost worthless.

Black Cops killing white Perps is just as worthless.

Mexicans don't move the meter too much, and asians are barely a blip.

It's time for The Grievance Industry to become more inclusive, and to embrace diversity.

If a Mexican cop were to kill an Asian Perp., it should be as big a deal as the Scott-Slager incident.

If we are not vigilant, there well might be a "War on Asian Males" soon.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

If we are not vigilant, there well might be a "War on Asian Males" soon.

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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

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Yes,

War on Asian Males = WAM = WAMFoo

Harold, the War on Black Males, has Benjamin Crump to protect their interests.

You can be the Ben Crump of The War on Asian Males

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