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post #1666 of 6095
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

My memory is foggy, but I believe Wilson claimed he shot Brown while he was charging back toward him. Based on the previous scuffle over the gun, Brown charging him again could certainly be considered a lethal threat.
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I don't agree with this. Why can't he just run away?
post #1667 of 6095
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Why can't he just run away?

Because Wilson valued his own life.
post #1668 of 6095
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Because Wilson valued his own life.

I'm not following. You're claiming that Brown charging towards Wilson is considered a lethal threat because he might grab his gun, right?

Well in that case why wouldn't Wilson just run away?
post #1669 of 6095
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

I'm not following. You're claiming that Brown charging towards Wilson is considered a lethal threat because he might grab his gun, right?

Well in that case why wouldn't Wilson just run away?

As I said before, Wilson wouldn't run away because Wilson valued his own life. Turning to run away from someone who is already charging you is a great way to get tackled from behind. This entire conversation is ridiculous. Brown attacked Wilson in his car. He tried to take his gun. Wilson managed to fight him off, then Brown, who is clearly determined to harm Wilson, tries to charge him again and you're blaming the officer for not further putting his life in danger by turning around and trying to run?
post #1670 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/Man-on-Stolen-Horse-Stunned-by-Sheriffs-Deputies-in-IE-299250951.html

Man steals horse and leads sheriff's deputies on a chase. Man falls off horse and when confronted by deputies, lays prone with arms extended. Gets tased and beaten for several minutes anyway.

Video at the link. I bet they say he reached for one of their guns.

No, or they would have shot him
post #1671 of 6095
So the cop's attorney quit after the video was released, and, apparently determined to bring disrepute to the profession, gave this interview: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/08/exclusive-michael-slager-s-attorney-dumped-him-as-soon-as-he-saw-video.html
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You were quoted as Officer Slager's attorney in the aftermath of this high-profile shooting but before the video came out. Now you're not his attorney anymore. What happened?

I can't specifically state what is the reason why or what isn't the reason why I'm no longer his lawyer. All I can say is that the same day of the discovery of the video that was disclosed publicly, I withdrew as counsel immediately. Whatever factors people want to take from that and conclusions they want to make, they have the right to do that. But I can't confirm from an attorney-client standpoint what the reason is.

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When you were representing Slager, you said, “I believe once the community hears all the facts of this shooting, they’ll have a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding this investigation.”

That was my belief at the time, that's why I made that statement.

Now that the video is out, it seems the community has a much better understanding about what actually happened, and not necessarily in the officer's favor. What's your take on that new information?

I think that there's been a release of information that was not public information at the time, or not discovered at the time at least to any knowledge of mine or anyone else publicly— at least the video. I can't comment on the specifics of what I think the video says. I'm not going to analyze the video, but again ... the video came out and within the hours of the video coming out, I withdrew my representation of the client.

How did you come across the video?

I can't say where I saw it first. I first became aware of it via the media. In fact, a reporter sent it to me via e-mail.

He also released a statement prior to the video being released, but, naturally, it's impossible to find anything but a handful of quotes from it. That's the media for you.
post #1672 of 6095
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

I'm not following. You're claiming that Brown charging towards Wilson is considered a lethal threat because he might grab his gun, right?

Well in that case why wouldn't Wilson just run away?

Do you really want to live in a society where cops have a duty to retreat when they are being assaulted? Imagine the consequences.
post #1673 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

Do you really want to live in a society where cops have a duty to retreat when they are being assaulted? Imagine the consequences.

I do live in such a society and it's great.
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

As I said before, Wilson wouldn't run away because Wilson valued his own life. Turning to run away from someone who is already charging you is a great way to get tackled from behind. This entire conversation is ridiculous. Brown attacked Wilson in his car. He tried to take his gun. Wilson managed to fight him off, then Brown, who is clearly determined to harm Wilson, tries to charge him again and you're blaming the officer for not further putting his life in danger by turning around and trying to run?

Wilson had chased Brown halfway down the street.

I don't see how Wilson's life would have been in danger had he retreated.
post #1674 of 6095
My analysis of this shooting stuff:

1. If you stay in the car, or don't fight, there is a high likelihood that you will not be shot.

2. If you attack the cop or run, there is still a high likelihood that you will not be shot, but not as high as (1).

3. Based on FBI reports on shootings by cop, and inferences from incarceration rates and incidents of cop encounters, whites who run or fight are more likely to be shot than blacks who run or fight.

4. Shooting a suspect in the back while he's running away is unjustifiable homocide.

5. The only blacks lives that matter to the Black Lives That Matter crowd are black lives taken by white cops.
post #1675 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

3. Based on FBI reports on shootings by cop, and inferences from incarceration rates and incidents of cop encounters, whites who run or fight are more likely to be shot than blacks who run or fight.

This conclusion seems suspect, not least because the FBI reports on police shootings are absurdly incomplete. It's easily possible that police departments with high incidents of bad shoots don't report their statistics to the FBI, since that practice is voluntary.
post #1676 of 6095

Here's another good one:

 

http://www.wsls.com/story/28770340/california-sheriff-investigates-disturbing-video-of-suspect-being-beaten 

 

Sheriff says: "I'm not sure if there was a struggle with the suspect."

post #1677 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

This conclusion seems suspect, not least because the FBI reports on police shootings are absurdly incomplete. It's easily possible that police departments with high incidents of bad shoots don't report their statistics to the FBI, since that practice is voluntary.

Frankly, I'm surprised by that stat as well. There is an inference I'm making based on the "driving while black" anecdotal reporting, and based on crime rates in general. It may be that whites who decide to fight the cops are more likely to be using a gun or knife. Maybe they are jacked up on meth.
post #1678 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

This conclusion seems suspect, not least because the FBI reports on police shootings are absurdly incomplete. It's easily possible that police departments with high incidents of bad shoots don't report their statistics to the FBI, since that practice is voluntary.

I think a dash of skepticism is a very good thing but at some point we have to stop rejecting data that gives conclusions we do not expect or we'll end up cherry picking what data we accept into nothing more than confirmation bias.
post #1679 of 6095
Holy fuck this one is bad. http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/california-san-bernardino-police-beating/index.html

Watch the video. Shows guy spreadeagled on the ground with guns pointed at him. Two cops run in, first kicks him right in the head and the other kicks him straight in the nuts then they just start beating on him. Keep watching the video while the talking heads talk and they'll play more video showing a swarm of cops all beating the shit out of him.
post #1680 of 6095
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Holy fuck this one is bad. http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/california-san-bernardino-police-beating/index.html

Watch the video. Shows guy spreadeagled on the ground with guns pointed at him. Two cops run in, first kicks him right in the head and the other kicks him straight in the nuts then they just start beating on him. Keep watching the video while the talking heads talk and they'll play more video showing a swarm of cops all beating the shit out of him.

Saw that earlier. Just "amazing!"
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