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post #1621 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

It certainly seems like widespread informal training at the very least. They can then point to any video taken of the incident and use that as evidence the victim was resisting as they clearly said so during the arrest.

It seems like if you add up the percent of folks in cuffs that are either a) unconscious or b) yelling, "I'm NOT resisting!" while trying to protect their heads from punches you have about 75% of the sample universe captured.
post #1622 of 6073
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
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Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer later arrives, apparently with a medical kit, but is also not seen performing CPR.

Another lie caught by the video.
post #1623 of 6073
I'm sure he was no angel.
post #1624 of 6073
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html

Video of the incident at the link. It looks like the cop plants a taser on the victim's body around the 1:30 mark.

It looks like the cop knew he was being filmed, so I doubt seriously that he tried to plant the taser or lied about where it ended up.

But if he did, we'll know for sure shortly. So in the meantime all this speculation strikes me as being very irresponsible.
post #1625 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It looks like the cop knew he was being filmed, so I doubt seriously that he tried to plant the taser or lied about where it ended up.

But if he did, we'll know for sure shortly. So in the meantime all this speculation strikes me as being very irresponsible.

Is there another sort of police procedure that requires the dropping of an object by the body of the victim? It's very clear that whatever he dropped during the initial confrontation, which looks like a taser, is what he ran back to grab and drop by the victim.

But yes, I'll be very interested to read the police reports of the murdering cop and the other one on the scene shortly thereafter.
post #1626 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It looks like the cop knew he was being filmed, so I doubt seriously that he tried to plant the taser or lied about where it ended up.

But if he did, we'll know for sure shortly. So in the meantime all this speculation strikes me as being very irresponsible.

Irresponsible? You mean by the media? Or on SF?
post #1627 of 6073
No, of course not. But it seems likely to me that he went and picked it up to secure it, realized he shouldn't be handling it since it was evidence, and so he dropped it. That's innocent enough. If he lied about it that'd be something else. But we have no reason to think he did.

And I meant irresponsible of the media to feature this allegation so prominently.
post #1628 of 6073
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No, of course not. But it seems likely to me that he went and picked it up to secure it, realized he shouldn't be handling it since it was evidence, and so he dropped it. That's innocent enough. If he lied about it that'd be something else. But we have no reason to think he did.

And I meant irresponsible of the media to feature this allegation so prominently.

Serious post is serious?
post #1629 of 6073
Speculating that he tried to plant the taser and lied about it, without any evidence whatsoever? Yes.
post #1630 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

No, of course not. But it seems likely to me that he went and picked it up to secure it, realized he shouldn't be handling it since it was evidence, and so he dropped it. That's innocent enough. If he lied about it that'd be something else. But we have no reason to think he did.

And I meant irresponsible of the media to feature this allegation so prominently.

The murderer just shot a man in the back 8 times. That's plenty of reason to think he may try to cover up his crime. In your scenario, it's rather convenient for him to drop the item right next to his victim's body, don't you think?
post #1631 of 6073
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The murderer just shot a man in the back 8 times. That's plenty of reason to think he may try to cover up his crime. In your scenario, it's rather convenient for him to drop the item right next to his victim's body, don't you think?

You mean he put it somewhere easy to keep track of it? No, I don't think that's suspicious. Again, this speculation is easily confirmed or disproven. Just and wait and see.

And as far as calling the guy a murderer, murder is a stretch. At best he's guilty of manslaughter.
post #1632 of 6073
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Speculating that he tried to plant the taser and lied about it, without any evidence whatsoever? Yes.

How many news organizations do you know that wait to report story AFTER the indictment or verdict?
post #1633 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

"He reached for my weapon!" has become the new sprinkle some crack on him. Without that video, no doubt would the officer receive a commendation and medal for shooting down a violent criminal attempting to do him harm.

During the discussion about Michael Brown, it was seemingly implicit that reaching for a cop's weapons = justification for shooting, but I've never seen a solid rational for it. You grab for the weapon, don't get it, retreat...and you're still a lethal threat? You're still unarmed at that point, and may be more prone to try for the weapon again, but that doesn't seem to be a lethal threat to me.

It's a perfect excuse to pin on any shooting. It requires no evidence and is impossible to disprove if there's no video footage of the incident. It's also extremely ambiguous even if there is footage. An officer tries to detain someone, they don't immediate comply, and the officer could plausible claim that they believed the suspect was grabbing for their weapon.
post #1634 of 6073
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How many news organizations do you know that wait to report story AFTER the indictment or verdict?

Reporting on facts is one thing, reporting rank speculation is another entirely.

And it looks like the taser was pulled from the cop's hands during the fight. The cop says he thought the guy had it. The video doesn't disprove that subjective belief, even if it turns out he was wrong.

As to whether someone running away with a taser presents an imminent danger, good luck with that one.
post #1635 of 6073
NBC news just said that the initial police report said that the cops "continued to provide first aid/CPR" when in fact they didn't.

The mayor or police commish also said that there is dash cam video that may be produced maybe as early as tomorrow.

The witness who recorded the video just spoke to Lester Holt. He said that there was a struggle.
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