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post #1546 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

You can also see the guy lunging at the cops (or his mother) as they shoot him. What exactly do you think they should have done?

Also, a cursory google search suggests that the guy was never even diagnosed as mentally ill; one story says the family "believed" he was schizophrenic. They certainly never claimed he was diagnosed in the complaints. The claim that he was mentally ill seems to be an embellishment to sweeten the story in the press. But of course it's taken credulously by the internet outrage machine.

None of this matters,

It's all about the Benjamins now.
post #1547 of 6073
FFS. Being a cop carries some risks. A slow moving an obese man with a screwdriver, facing at least two armed and trained cops, does not present such an acute risk that he should be gunned down for the slightest non-compliance.
post #1548 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

You can also see the guy lunging at the cops (or his mother) as they shoot him. What exactly do you think they should have done?

Also, a cursory google search suggests that the guy was never even diagnosed as mentally ill; one story says the family "believed" he was schizophrenic. They certainly never claimed he was diagnosed in the complaints. The claim that he was mentally ill seems to be an embellishment to sweeten the story in the press. But of course it's taken credulously by the internet outrage machine.

Yes, he wanted to lunge at his mother so bad, he waited for the cops to arrive. But to anwer your question, not shoot before there was actual danger. Perhaps, take a couple of steps back.

The Duke Nukem perspective makes it hard to conclude to a certainty, but the fact the cops keep a gun trained on a dead or dying man way after the danger (if any) has passed, makes me think they had their priorities too far on the right on the graph: Protect the public................................................Get home safely.
post #1549 of 6073
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After Rogers and Hutchins repeated the command, "the suspect stepped from the doorway and suddenly jabbed the screwdriver at my partner and then seemed to lock onto me and began to move toward me jabbing the screwdriver at me in fast motions," Rogers wrote.

He tried to step away, but a car parked in the driveway blocked his path, he wrote.

"It was at that time that I realized that I was going to die if I didn't stop the threat in front of me and I pulled my service weapon and fired two times in self-defense," Rogers wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/us/dallas-police-fatal-shooting-mentally-ill-man-video/index.html


I WAS GOING TO DIE!!11!!!
post #1550 of 6073
Most damning: "He refused to comply"
post #1551 of 6073
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I guess they think that they erred on the side of caution?

It will be interesting to see what happens in Civil Court.

PS: " Livingston told CNN on Wednesday that Rogers and Hutchins are specially trained and certified to deal with mentally ill people, but that Jason Harrison left them with no options. Asked if the officers could have employed nonlethal force, he said no."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/18/us/dallas-police-fatal-shooting-mentally-ill-man-video/index.html

These officers were some of Dallas's finest and had been specially trained. Who could possibly find fault with their actions? I'm being sarcastic!
post #1552 of 6073
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

None of this matters,

It's all about the Benjamins now.

No, it's always about the benjamins. Why do you think so many people claim to be mentally ill in the first place? They don't call it the "crazy check" for nothing.
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Originally Posted by CDFS View Post

Yes, he wanted to lunge at his mother so bad, he waited for the cops to arrive.

Or maybe he got pissed off when he saw them?
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But to anwer your question, not shoot before there was actual danger. Perhaps, take a couple of steps back.

Just jump backwards over that car behind them--no sweat! I don't see how that protects mom though.
post #1553 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Just jump backwards over that car behind them--no sweat! I don't see how that protects mom though.

Per the cop's own statement it had nothing to do with protecting the mother. Why the first cop shot was:

I WAS GOING TO DIE!!11!!!
post #1554 of 6073
I guess it'd be easier for the cops to jump over the car without trying to carry the mother too. Good point.
post #1555 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

FFS. Being a cop carries some risks. A slow moving an obese man with a screwdriver, facing at least two armed and trained cops, does not present such an acute risk that he should be gunned down for the slightest non-compliance.

+1000
post #1556 of 6073
So trying to stab someone with a screwdriver becomes "slight noncompliance"?
post #1557 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

So trying to stab someone with a screwdriver becomes "slight noncompliance"?

I have had someone pull a knife on me. He is still alive.
post #1558 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

So trying to stab someone with a screwdriver becomes "slight noncompliance"?

Phillips or flathead?
post #1559 of 6073
I think we can all agree he'd had it coming if it was one of those square drive electrician's screwdrivers.
post #1560 of 6073
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I think we can all agree he'd had it coming if it was one of those square drive electrician's screwdrivers.

I think you mean if it was a Phillips. Robertson drive is best drive.
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