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post #1411 of 6081
It's the chicken and the egg -- is it "less dangerous" today because it really is just safer out there, or because people take fewer risks?
post #1412 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It's the chicken and the egg -- is it "less dangerous" today because it really is just safer out there, or because people take fewer risks?

Some of both, presumably. Nobody really knows. A lot of good arguments have been made that the culture of fear and avoiding risk (esp. regarding parenting) is now inflicting more damage than it's preventing. We've swung from one pole to the other.


We can't exactly decry the coddled and helpless Millennials without examining how their upbringing influenced their outlook on life.
post #1413 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

There was a case in DC this week, parents were letting their kids (age 6 and 10) walk about a mile to a park in a suburban neighborhood. Police stopped to check on the kids, CPS ends up getting involved.

Lots of handwaving about "Don't you know HOW DANGEROUS it is today??? How could you let your kids out in public unsupervised????" facepalm.gif

I saw that one. Friggin nuts!
post #1414 of 6081
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/holder-ends-seized-asset-sharing-process-that-split-billions-with-local-state-police/2015/01/16/0e7ca058-99d4-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html
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Holder limits seized-asset sharing process that split billions with local, state police

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Friday barred local and state police from using federal law to seize cash, cars and other property without evidence that a crime occurred.

Holder’s action represents the most sweeping check on police power to confiscate personal property since the seizures began three decades ago as part of the war on drugs.

Since 2008, thousands of local and state police agencies have made more than 55,000 seizures of cash and property worth $3 billion under a civil asset forfeiture program at the Justice Department called Equitable Sharing.

The program has enabled local and state police to make seizures and then have them “adopted” by federal agencies, which share in the proceeds. The program allowed police departments and drug task forces to keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds of the adopted seizures, with the rest going to federal agencies.

“With this new policy, effective immediately, the Justice Department is taking an important step to prohibit federal agency adoptions of state and local seizures, except for public safety reasons,” Holder said in a statement.

Holder’s decision allows some limited exceptions, including illegal firearms, ammunition, explosives and property associated with child pornography, a small fraction of the total. This would eliminate virtually all cash and vehicle seizures made by local and state police from the program.

While police can continue to make seizures under their own state laws, the federal program was easy to use and required most of the proceeds from the seizures to go to local and state police departments. Many states require seized proceeds to go into the general fund.

A Justice official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss the attorney general’s motivation, said Holder “also believes that the new policy will eliminate any possibility that the adoption process might unintentionally incentivize unnecessary stops and seizures.”

Holder actually did something right for once.
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Holder actually did something right for once.

+1. Good job, Holder.
post #1416 of 6081
Another bullshit pretend-move from Holder. Nobody uses federal law to seize property, every state has its own law providing for seizure. Maybe this is 1% of the seizures in the country. Just like with his bullshit cutting back on federal prosecutions of low level drug possession. These things simply don't exist. What a fucking asshole.
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Another bullshit pretend-move from Holder. Nobody uses federal law to seize property, every state has its own law providing for seizure. Maybe this is 1% of the seizures in the country. Just like with his bullshit cutting back on federal prosecutions of low level drug possession. These things simply don't exist. What a fucking asshole.

Harold, welcome back. You're back, you're healthy, you're feisty. Tell us how you really feel.
post #1418 of 6081
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

Since 2008, thousands of local and state police agencies have made more than 55,000 seizures of cash and property worth $3 billion under a civil asset forfeiture program at the Justice Department called Equitable Sharing.

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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Another bullshit pretend-move from Holder. Nobody uses federal law to seize property, every state has its own law providing for seizure. Maybe this is 1% of the seizures in the country. Just like with his bullshit cutting back on federal prosecutions of low level drug possession. These things simply don't exist. What a fucking asshole.

$3 billion is nothing to sneeze at
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$3 billion is nothing to sneeze at

Next thing you know we'll be talking about real money.
post #1420 of 6081
Lol, "Joint Task Forces" are excluded. That's probably 75%+ of these bullshit seizures in the first place. Plus it has a "public safety" exception, so you still won't get your guns back.

This is such grandstanding horseshit. And it's not a law so there's nothing to prevent Chris Christie's AG from reversing it once he gets into office. Fucking evil bastards, the lot of them.

EDIT - It's probably even worse now. This creates an incentive to make more "Joint Task Forces". Once you create a "Joint Task Force" you tend to use it. So thanks, Holder, you traitorous rat fuck, for making things even worse.
post #1421 of 6081
Holder doing anything seemingly good like cutting asset forfeitures should have raised all kinds of red flags.
post #1422 of 6081
Well the good thing about Holder acknowledging the problem is now CNN views this as "real news." http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/us/asset-seizures/index.html That's good because now this moves from the realm of "right wing conspiracy nuts" and into the realm of things safe to acknowledge are actually happening.
post #1423 of 6081
I'm sure there is a racial disparate impact component motivating Holder. This impulse outweighs the notion, in his mind, that we and our property belong to the state.
post #1424 of 6081
I've written this elsewhere but it's a scam. It won't actually change anything. Same as with his bullshit about not prosecuting low-level pot possessors. I can count on my dick the number of federal low-level pot possessors the DOJ has pursued.
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Holder's order applies only to "adoption," which happens when a state or local agency seizes property on its own and then asks the Justice Department to pursue forfeiture under federal law. "Over the last six years," the DOJ says in the press release announcing Holder's new policy, "adoptions accounted for roughly three percent of the value of forfeitures in the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture Program." By comparison, the program's reports to Congress indicate that "equitable sharing" payments to state and local agencies accounted for about 22 percent of total deposits during those six years. That means adoptions, which the DOJ says represented about 3 percent of deposits, accounted for less than 14 percent of equitable sharing. In other words, something like 86 percent of the loot that state and local law enforcement agencies receive through federal forfeitures will be unaffected by Holder's new policy.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/19/how-the-press-exaggerated-holders-forfei

And the other 14% will just shift to state law regarding forfeiture. Bullshit posturing.
post #1425 of 6081
Obviously, I have not read as much about it...but I still fail to see it as a bad thing.

It gets it in the news, it shows that they are against it from the top...and what else could he do about it? He is the feds...he is not the state legislatures.

At least now if some state makes up rules preventing it under state law, they can't shift to doing it using federal law.
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