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post #1351 of 6207
My theory is that Brown wanted to protect his reputation.

This encounter took place in the middle of the street, surrounded by rows and stacks of apartments. Like a stadium.

He's 18, enormous, and immortal; he's just taken a box of cigars from a store, towering over the storekeeper with menace . . .

and now he is about to be spread eagle on the street with a cops' knee in his back, taken away in handcuffs in front of his neighbors.
post #1352 of 6207
Based off that video of Wilson arresting a guy for legally recording him, I wouldn't don't be so quick to dismiss Wilson's ability to be a dick either.
post #1353 of 6207
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I'm still interested in that narrative. So Brown tried to take the weapon. Was he trying to reach in through the car window and grab it off Wilson's belt (seems geometrically implausible)? Or had Wilson already drawn the gun? If so, why? I haven't seen any explanation or justification for this. Given how Wilson shot Brown while still in the car, it seems like the gun was unholstered before/soon after the initial encounter, but what's the exact sequence of events?


Brown is not justified going for the weapon in any scenario. But, the situation makes more sense if Wilson pulls up with his gun out, Brown freaks out and grabs at it (assuming he's going to be arrest and/or shot for robbery), then the situation goes from there. Brown trying some suicidal dive through the window to grab a holstered gun and kill a peaceful cop makes for a good "black demon" narrative but doesn't seem plausible.

Totally agree. Not saying Brown didn't put Wilson's safety in jeopardy. I'm asking if it was possible for Wilson to use a taser in close quarters and get away with NOT killing Brown.

The bottom line is that someone died and the question should be "could it have been avoided?"

Now, cue all the "it could've been avoided if Brown hadn't reached for the gun.." which sadly misses the point.
post #1354 of 6207
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Now, cue all the "it could've been avoided if Brown hadn't reached for the gun.." which sadly misses the point.

You should review this thread.
post #1355 of 6207
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You should review this thread.

I did.
post #1356 of 6207
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I did.

Then you would know a whole cadre of people in this thread would not miss the point, and have in fact, been intelligently discussing the policing situation in the US. In fact you would know the thread was created about "the point."
post #1357 of 6207
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Based off that video of Wilson arresting a guy for legally recording him, I wouldn't don't be so quick to dismiss Wilson's ability to be a dick either.

Based on a 15-second video of Wilson arresting a guy who was trying to record him, you mean.

Again, the video has no context whatsoever and you can't draw any conclusions from it, especially that Wilson arrested the guy for trying to videotape him. In fact, it appears from the video that Wilson was already in the process of investigating or arresting him with the recording started.
post #1358 of 6207
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Based on a 15-second video of Wilson arresting a guy who was trying to record him, you mean.

Again, the video has no context whatsoever and you can't draw any conclusions from it, especially that Wilson arrested the guy for trying to videotape him. In fact, it appears from the video that Wilson was already in the process of investigating or arresting him with the recording started.

You mean the video where he clearly says, "If you take one more picture of me I'm going to lock your ass up?" The one where he lies and tells the guy he has no right to record?
post #1359 of 6207
Yes.

The guy might have a right to record the cop, but he doesn't have a right to do it in lieu of obeying the cop's lawful orders. And that's exactly what the video appears to show.
post #1360 of 6207
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Yes.

The guy might have a right to record the cop, but he doesn't have a right to do it in lieu of obeying the cop's lawful orders. And that's exactly what the video appears to show.


If the cop is in the middle of a lawful stop or detention, I agree.

If the cop is using the recording as grounds for a stop or detention, the cop is in the wrong.



(I'd watch the video but I'm at work making money to support the president's most recent trip to Hawaii).
post #1361 of 6207
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Yes.

The guy might have a right to record the cop, but he doesn't have a right to do it in lieu of obeying the cop's lawful orders. And that's exactly what the video appears to show.

But the cop certainly doesn't have a right to "lock your ass up" for the act of recording...which is exactly what Wilson is threatening to do. Now, you want this put into context. Sorry, Turk, there's no context that can excuse that threat. Wilson was acting like an asshole and tossing the weight of his badge around. He was acting exactly like the type of cop Brown would punch.
post #1362 of 6207
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He was acting exactly like the type of cop Brown would punch.

You go too far, sir!

Brown knew that the gig was up, so he would have expected some attitude/intimidation after a strong arm robbery.
post #1363 of 6207
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You go too far, sir!

Brown knew that the gig was up, so he would have expected some attitude/intimidation after a strong arm robbery.

That could be; good point.

Again, I'm not defending Brown but let's not act like it isn't likely Wilson started off the interaction in less than a non-confrontational manner. Need to change the rules of engagement, IMO.
post #1364 of 6207
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

But the cop certainly doesn't have a right to "lock your ass up" for the act of recording...which is exactly what Wilson is threatening to do. Now, you want this put into context. Sorry, Turk, there's no context that can excuse that threat.

It is obvious that Wilson and the man are not interacting just because he was recording. So your taking Wilson's command without that context is, frankly, bullshit. By all appearances the man was using the pretext of recording to disobey Wilson's lawful orders, and Wilson had every right to order him to comply or face arrest. Perhaps Wilson would have phrased the command better had he known it would be the only part of the encounter you would consider in judging it.
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Wilson was acting like an asshole and tossing the weight of his badge around. He was acting exactly like the type of cop Brown would punch.

Again, you have no idea what happened, so these comments are completely unfounded. Really--does the fact that the video is just fifteen seconds not inspire the slightest bit of skepticism on your part?
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