Originally Posted by Gibonius
"Unauthorized" is completely distinct from "did not produce results." The unauthorized stops were ones that had no legal justifications even under the extremely generous framework NYC allowed. A stop for "furtive movement" or "high crime area" counts as justified, even if it the person stopped ends up having done literally nothing wrong. 10% of the people stopped were "completely innocent" (I assume this means they were violating no laws whatsoever), and only 6% were doing anything serious enough to warrant arrest. Those are not good returns.
10% (assuming for the sake of argument that this is the number; I have no idea where it comes from) is not bad when the relevant standard for an investigative
stop is "articulable suspicion."
I have no issue with police frisking people as part of ensuring police safety during normal police work. That's obviously necessary for their safety. I do really question the sanity of telling police to go out and hassle people when they're not doing anything wrong beyond "looking suspicious" completely within the discretion of the police.
It's not completely within the discretion of the police. If the stop leads to anything the legality of the stop will be challenged in court. That's a pretty good check on abuses.
It sets up obvious conditions for bias to develop, but additionally just creates an enormous number of additional negative interactions with police. All those innocent people didn't need to be "actively policed" and I'm going to guess they don't particularly appreciate the experiences.
I'm not sure how you go from "couldn't be proven guilty" to innocent. Also, the theory behind active policing is preventing crimes from happening in the first place. What's wrong with that? NYC is often held as a model for its (relatively) lot crime rates.
Also, if I can play devil's advocate for a moment, this idea of "additional negative interactions" is ridiculous. By their early 20s something like half of all black men have been arrested, and about a third or so in their 20s are either in prison or on some form of corrective supervision any given time. It's often claimed (truthfully) that there are more black men in the corrections system at any given time today than were enslaved at the height of slavery. Blacks commit something like half of all murders and a grossly disproportionate number of other serious violent crimes. Any serious effort to curb violent crime is necessarily going to impact them more. That's reality.
You are lacking any actual support for your argument. Surely you can be bothered to produce some actual evidence that might support this claim that age demographics offset the very significant racial correlations.
What do you want a citation for, exactly? That there are fewer young white people in cities than older ones? All you have to do is visit a public high school... Or, if you insist: