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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

That's not what I said. What I implied was the Wilson, a very large man himself, should be in physical condition such that Brown did not scare him.

Especially when equipped with a nightstick, tazer, pepper spray, etc, etc along with his training.
post #1247 of 6083
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post #1248 of 6083
Oh, yeah. Why waste 12 bullets when one shot of pepper spray would have stopped Mike Brown in his tracks.
post #1249 of 6083
It was meant as a general statement, but it could certainly be applied to that specific situation. Cops have a lot of tools and should try to employ the most appropriate and least lethal one for the situation. Not self-evident that the Brown situation mandated use of lethal force, even if it were justified.
post #1250 of 6083
And what exactly was this least lethal weapon in the Brown case?
post #1251 of 6083
I'm sure it's reasonable to ask for an answer to that question.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Maybe in football. In real life nobody blows a whistle when the 400lb guy comes down on top of you.

And, if I can be serious for a moment, big cops discourage people from resisting in the first place. It's not a coincidence that Mike Brown and Eric Garner were so big and the cops they decided to fight so much smaller.

 

Did you see a different video than the rest of us?

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re: the two cops ambushed in NYC. Who could have seen this coming?
post #1254 of 6083
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I'm sure it's reasonable to ask for an answer to that question.

C'mon. I want to know what Wilson could have done with a 300lb guy charging at him and an accomplice who may or may not decide to turn around and join the fray. You might, somehow, say he's probably (that means his odds are better than 50%!) going to prevail because he's a cop with a little stick and a can of pepper spray, but if you're going to be honest, you're going to say that his best chance of ending the situation peacefully is to point the gun at Brown and tell him to stop.

Unfortunately if Brown keeps on charging, that die is cast, and there's no time to put the gun away and try something else.
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Did you see a different video than the rest of us?

I often wonder that myself. The video I saw shows the cop pulling Garner down by his shoulder and only choking him for a few seconds, if he did it at all.

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post


I often wonder that myself. The video I saw shows the cop pulling Garner down by his shoulder and only choking him for a few seconds, if he did it at all.

And I often wonder what colour is the sky in your world
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

re: the two cops ambushed in NYC. Who could have seen this coming?

On Saturday my g/f said to me "If this were my country it would have been open season on police. No one is going to do anything to them? This is America and almost everyone has a gun"

Me: "Oh no! Not in this country. Maybe just maybe back in the 1960s but today? Nahhhhhh"
post #1257 of 6083
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post


I often wonder that myself. The video I saw shows the cop pulling Garner down by his shoulder and only choking him for a few seconds, if he did it at all.


You crazy. He had his hand around his neck until he was taken down to the ground. I count ELEVEN seconds where he had his arm around his neck before the vid stops.
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It looks like he first puts pressure on Garner's neck to keep him from taking them all through that window. From that point until the cop lets up when they're on the ground is about ten seconds. I'll give you eleven. That's not enough to choke anyone to death.

Also, if you pay close attention to the various reports about the medical examiner's (dubious) conclusion that it was asphyxia that "caused" Brown's death and not the heart attack, the examiner attributes the asphyxia only in part to the "chokehold" (also to the heart attack and to asthma). But the other (and apparently primary) physical cause was chest compression. If you look at the video, no one is pressing down on Garner's chest for long. Was he so fat that he couldn't support his own weight on his stomach? I don't know. None of these reports have been made public.
post #1259 of 6083
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

It looks like he first puts pressure on Garner's neck to keep him from taking them all through that window. From that point until the cop lets up when they're on the ground is about ten seconds. I'll give you eleven. That's not enough to choke anyone to death.

Also, if you pay close attention to the various reports about the medical examiner's (dubious) conclusion that it was asphyxia that "caused" Brown's death and not the heart attack, the examiner attributes the asphyxia only in part to the "chokehold" (also to the heart attack and to asthma). But the other (and apparently primary) physical cause was chest compression. If you look at the video, no one is pressing down on Garner's chest for long. Was he so fat that he couldn't support his own weight on his stomach? I don't know. None of these reports have been made public.


-Exactly. And it is illegal within the NYPD.

-Who exactly is Brown?
post #1260 of 6083
Sorry, that would be African-American if you prefer. Hah! You know what I meant.

And it doesn't matter whether the NYPD manual directs cops not to use "chokeholds" (assuming for the sake of argument that that's what that was). That is a separate question from whether what the cop did, in the exigencies of the moment, was a crime.
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