Originally Posted by Ataturk
I'm not sure I understand this. How else would anyone know what the hell Taylor was thinking when he pretended to pull a gun on a cop?
It's actually twenty-four seconds from the time Taylor sees the cop to when he's shot. You can see him hiding his hands, saying "no, fool" to the cop when ordered to show them, then making some bizarre gesture pulling shirt up and reaching to his waistband. If Taylor had had a gun he'd have fired it half a second after he was shot.
How else do you explain what he did?
Twenty four whole seconds from boiling out of their car with guns drawn (again, over a situation where no one was in danger) to a guy getting shot.
Who knows what he was thinking. He went from standing on the street not hurting anybody (since, you know, he didn't actually have a gun) to be screamed at by armed police with drawn guns, to dead. You're putting the burden of proof on an INNOCENT guy (who's dead, to boot). He wasn't armed, hadn't committed any crimes, and got killed. He just responded in a very strange way to a crazy situation.
This is really useless. You saw the video. You know the context. If you don't think it's a good shoot, you're just hopeless.
It is a "justified" shooting. Legally, they're clear and I agree with that decision. I do not agree with the way they created the situation where escalation to deadly force was the only option. Nothing about that situation cries for leaping from their cruiser with guns drawn and ready to shoot. It is absurd to pretend that was the only or optimal way to respond to that. It appears to be legal
, but that's not the standard we should settle for. Police shouldn't be creating situations where instant compliance is mandatory to avoid "necessary" uses of deadly force. If that's what they really need to do in a law enforcement scenario, fine, but this sure doesn't appear to be one of those scenarios and there are many other similar examples.
The point isn't to put cops in jail. It's to avoid people getting shot. Some police need to go to jail for criminal shootings, but mostly, we need to address this system that leads police to create situations where they "have" to shoot people. I know you've never met a police shooting you couldn't justify, but this shit is corrosive to a civil society.
Or maybe he decided to make the cops kill him because he was drunk and suicidal? The link between drunkenness and suicide is very well established.
You're reading tea leaves and finding what you want to find with the suicide motivation. He didn't even have a gun, so how would he have known the police would show up? If we're postulating he had
a gun and flashed it to get the police to show up so he could suicide-by-cop, why'd he lose the gun and where'd it go? Or do we think he decided to commit suicide in the mere seconds after the police showed up? That narrative really doesn't hold water.Edited by Gibonius - 12/3/14 at 8:55pm