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post #16 of 51

Question:  How often do you think you'll need to wear a suit for this job (or other events in your life which would require it)?  I ask because some suits are made of higher quality materials, however, if you wear a suit a handful of times per year (like I do), I question whether quality of construction matters as much.  I've got to believe that if you don't wear suits often that fit most certainly surpasses construction.  I checked out a Boss suit at Nordstrom's Rack a few weeks ago which had a tag of $500 (I think the original price was around $800).  It looked great and fit very well, however, I already have three suits and couldn't justify purchasing it.
 

post #17 of 51
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post

I don't know what biged is on about. I have never seen anyone here criticize the quality of J. Crew. The Ludlow is widely disliked because of its design - ultra skinny lapels, etc. J. Crew suits and odd jackets are widely regarded as being good value for the money, style issues aside.

Take what biged says with a grain of salt. I've learned a lot (*a lot*) since I've started browsing these forums, but people who say SF craps on those who can't or won't spend big money on clothes are themselves completely full of shit.

 

I don't see where I said J. Crew was a bad value... I said they are a decent value for the price actually, but are you really arguing that you can't find a better value for $650?  Of course you can with some time and effort spent looking for a good deal.

 

As far as what SF says about lower end brands, I was just responding to what the OP said in his original post.  He obviously found some threads which bashed J. Crew a bit.  What were you reading exactly?

 

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But the reviews on this site are so negative it makes me think twice...

 

 

Reading comprehension issue on your part perhaps?  I admit I could definitely be wrong here, I just assumed that the OP found negative reviews regarding quality/value.

post #18 of 51

If you liked the J Crew, then stick with it. I don't have much experience with the company, but I seems like they run a lot of promotions. I wouldn't spend $700 for an otr, but you can probably find a decent deal.

post #19 of 51
What other use do you have for a suit? If it is purely for interviews and the occasional funeral then stick with what you have. If you plan to wear suits all the time in a senior environment that J Crew is certainly not what you want.
post #20 of 51
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Originally Posted by redboat View Post

But the reviews on this site are so negative it makes me think twice.
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Originally Posted by biged781 View Post

Reading comprehension issue on your part perhaps?  I admit I could definitely be wrong here, I just assumed that the OP found negative reviews regarding quality/value.

I took it to mean (correctly, I think) that the OP is referring to the countless criticisms of the Ludlow's rather ridiculously fashion-forward design. If there are more complaints on SF about the Ludlow's quality than complaints about its look I will eat my Darltons.

As for this...
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Originally Posted by biged781 View Post

I don't see where I said J. Crew was a bad value... I said they are a decent value for the price actually, but are you really arguing that you can't find a better value for $650? Of course you can with some time and effort spent looking for a good deal.

... I agree, it is good value! You were suggesting to the OP that SF groupthink will not hold J. Crew out as good value, because it is too low-end:
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Originally Posted by biged781 View Post

People on this forum are not going to place J. Crew suits/odd jackets in high regard because they are not made to the standard that they are accustomed to. This forum is filled with people who have a taste for the finer things in life.

WTF are you talking about? Do you not see the gazilion posts about Suit Supply? The massive thread on thrift store finds? Or, more to the point, the feeding frenzy of activity every time there is a J. Crew sale? For a brand not held in "high regard", people here spend an awful lot of money at J. Crew.

Where on earth did you get the idea that this forum is "filled with people who have a taste for the finer things in life"? And WTF does that even mean? Do you think the average forum member lights aged cigars with $100 bills while spending hours in front of their computer obsessively trying to get 15% of their new Filson tote?
post #21 of 51
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Originally Posted by reidrothchild View Post

$650 for a fused (or maybe half canvas?) mall brand is not cheap.

Where, pray tell, will one find a fully canvassed (since apparently half-canvassed isn't good enough for you) suit for under $700?
post #22 of 51
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post



I took it to mean (correctly, I think) that the OP is referring to the countless criticisms of the Ludlow's rather ridiculously fashion-forward design. If there are more complaints on SF about the Ludlow's quality than complaints about its look I will eat my Darltons.

As for this...
... I agree, it is good value! You were suggesting to the OP that SF groupthink will not hold J. Crew out as good value, because it is too low-end:
WTF are you talking about? Do you not see the gazilion posts about Suit Supply? The massive thread on thrift store finds? Or, more to the point, the feeding frenzy of activity every time there is a J. Crew sale? For a brand not held in "high regard", people here spend an awful lot of money at J. Crew.

Where on earth did you get the idea that this forum is "filled with people who have a taste for the finer things in life"? And WTF does that even mean? Do you think the average forum member lights aged cigars with $100 bills while spending hours in front of their computer obsessively trying to get 15% of their new Filson tote?

 

No, I said that many on SF will not recommend a full retail J. Crew suit because you can find a better value elsewhere.  Honestly, you're not even worth talking to.  You come off like a typical, overly aggressive forum goer who gets off on being far more of a dick on the interwebs than he would ever be in real life to a person's face because he's likely a coward.  

 

It's fine to disagree with me and point out where I'm wrong.  It's another to throw around statements like "I'm full of shit" and begin sentences with "WTF are you talking about".  Then you just look like a douche.  Have a good one bud, calm down a bit.

post #23 of 51
Sigh. Forum n00b tells someone that SF is populated solely by rich assholes with no regard for the plight of the common man, and I'm the dick for taking offense. smile.gif

For the record, I did point out where you are wrong. And I am a huge jerk in real life, as well.

Cheers. Enjoy your time here. Please try not to spread too much misinformation, m'kay?
post #24 of 51
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post

Sigh. Forum n00b tells someone that SF is populated solely by rich assholes with no regard for the plight of the common man, and I'm the dick for taking offense. smile.gif

For the record, I did point out where you are wrong. And I am a huge jerk in real life, as well.

Cheers. Enjoy your time here. Please try not to spread too much misinformation, m'kay?

 

Well, I never said that, and if I seemed to, it's not what I meant, but calling me a "forum n00b" sentence pretty much sums up your douchiness. I can only hope that I meet you in real life one day so I can see how much of a tough guy you really are.

post #25 of 51
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Originally Posted by biged781 View Post

I can only hope that I meet you in real life one day so I can see how much of a tough guy you really are.

I never said I was tough, just a jerk. smile.gif I'm a mean-spirited, wimpy, bitter bully who can dish it out but not take it. Like everyone on the internet.

Anyway, please just try to be careful about the generalizations you make. I apologize if my language was too harsh - if you have been lurking here long enough you may have noticed that the ratio of bad advice to quality advice is huge and growing (see the suggestion above that somehow $700 for a half-canvassed suit is inherently too much), and there is little one can do to push back against it but fight dirty.
post #26 of 51
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post


I never said I was tough, just a jerk. smile.gif I'm a mean-spirited, wimpy, bitter bully who can dish it out but not take it. Like everyone on the internet.

Anyway, please just try to be careful about the generalizations you make. I apologize if my language was too harsh - if you have been lurking here long enough you may have noticed that the ratio of bad advice to quality advice is huge and growing (see the suggestion above that somehow $700 for a half-canvassed suit is inherently too much), and there is little one can do to push back against it but fight dirty.

Alright, fair enough.  I really didn't mean to say that SF'ers were wealthy, arrogant elitists.  I had assumed the OP saw some negative quality reviews and, often times (not always), the bar is set really high here.  As you said, I've seen good advice given to people who don't have 1k+ to spend on a suit as well.

 

I am new around here.  How about this; in the future, if I'm wrong about something, just let me know without saying I'm full of shit.  I have no problem being corrected, it's the ad hominem stuff that gets to me.  Anyway, I apologize for my part, and sorry to the OP for clogging up his thread. 

post #27 of 51
Your options at under $700 retail are limited when talking of high end suits.

We can all recommend visiting Brooks Brothers, Saks / Neiman Marcus Outlets or taking gambles online on some greatly reduced deadstock Isaia or whatever. At this point, if Jcrew works well, then it works well, end of discussion.

Since Interviews are utterly important occasions, get the Jcrew that works well on you and have one less thing to worry about. Once you nail the interview and start earning good money, you can then investigate / start playing with getting those high end suits online or at steep discounts at some retailers.

Right now, get a suit that gets the job done.

Worry over the finer trimmings / bells and whistles a high end suit would bring later. Right now, you cannot be sure whether the next job will have a dress code commanding regular usage / rotation of high end suits - particularly in San Francisco where the dress code is on the more casual side. Shoot the breeze and see what happens.
post #28 of 51

you can try Brooks Brothers Milano

post #29 of 51
If you only need the suit for interviews and not the job itself, I see zero reason why you would need anything "better" than a J.Crew suit if it fits that well.

Obviously this is a fashion forum and clothes are held in high regard here, but your interviewer will probably not care that much about your suit.
post #30 of 51
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post

Where, pray tell, will one find a fully canvassed (since apparently half-canvassed isn't good enough for you) suit for under $700?

I didn't mean to imply that half canvas wasn't good enough for me. I own half-canvas and fused. I'm just saying I don't think $650 is a good deal for a fused garment or a half-canvassed garment, given the regularity with which you can find Brooks Brothers 1818 line for less. And I'm not trying to be one of those guys who always says "Just spend like $1,000 more and get a better suit." But full canvas suits are pretty easy to find for under $700, provided you've got some time to look.

Hickey Freeman can be found all over:

http://www.hickeyfreeman.com/mens-sale/mahogany-collection-tan-plaid-suit/

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mens-suits-and-sport-coats~d~152/hickey-freeman~b~2234/

Venteeprivee had a bunch of Corneliani suits for $565 today.

C21 had a bunch of Golden Fleece suits for like $500 when I was there.

This is all just off the top of my head without even searching on Yoox, B&S, or the like. Like I said in my original post, it will require some time and effort to find a canvassed suit that is OP's size and taste for $700, but surely you're not suggesting that $700 for a full canvas suit--with the whole internet at your disposal--is unheard of?

And just to clarify/reiterate my previous point: $650 is not too much for a half-canvas suit from a brick and mortar store where you have the opportunity to try the thing on. Just understand that, when you buy from J Crew, part of what you're paying for is the ability to try the thing on. Saying that there are better values to be had if you have the time to do some research is not the same as saying someone would be stupid for buying a Ludlow. I'm speaking to relative value, not whether or not J Crew suits suck.
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