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post #691 of 760
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Originally Posted by ChetB View Post

^ I read an interview with Matthew Weiner in which he says Don has basically been fired. Because he is a partner they took this route rather than "pack your desk an[d don't come back," but he is out.

Weiner also was writing this season under the assumption that don was actually very successful, work wise this year, and also Jane eventually landed the Avon account.

totally confusing in the watcher's eyes though because even here on this thread there is conflicting views on why don was fired. Also there is no indication at all that Joan actually landed Avon (which should've been a huge fucking deal).
post #692 of 760
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You could well be correct. I guess I fell for what Weiner was trying to create, Don as a net liability vs. a rain maker.

Rain maker or not, at some point people get fed up with shenanigans. Ad agencies without Don seem to do fine, maybe the company will try to find replacements to fill his shoes (cue Duck with a candidate). Don't worry little ones, next season he will be called back to work after a few months off.
post #693 of 760
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Don return.

I know they wouldn't give him a return date, but they all recognize what he is capable of when he isn't falling apart. If it were modern day, they probably would have booked him a stay at some swanky rehab clinic and hoped the rest of his issues worked themselves out along with the alcohol.

Yeah. I think it's telling that they said "you're taking some time off and we'll see" rather than "don't come back ever." Maybe the other partners at SC&P view this more as a chance to punch Don in the face with a wake up call.
post #694 of 760
if i had to guess, id think he ends up back at SC&P. i wouldnt be shocked if he doesnt, but mildly surprised.
post #695 of 760
What about him going to California with his wife and establishing his own agency and competing with SC&P? Maybe eventually calling the bearded dude (who originally put the California bug in Dons ear) to come out and work with him. He did tell his wife that he needed to get out of New York. After a night in the drunk tank he now realizes that he needs to make big changes in his life. Quit drinking, quit whoring (after he was caught in flagrante dilecto by Sally), work on his marriage by supporting his wife's career with a move to California. Don getting fired was the straw he needed to go west.

I think next season will be about Don getting his shit together and getting his revenge on SC&P for shit canning him. I think all the California scenes from seasons past were laying the foundation for this move. IRL during the '70s did the ad industry move out west? I know how this show likes to chronologically follow the real historic timeline.
post #696 of 760
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What about him going to California with his wife and establishing his own agency and competing with SC&P? Maybe eventually calling the bearded dude (who originally put the California bug in Dons ear) to come out and work with him. He did tell his wife that he needed to get out of New York. After a night in the drunk tank he now realizes that he needs to make big changes in his life. Quit drinking, quit whoring (after he was caught in flagrante dilecto by Sally), work on his marriage by supporting his wife's career with a move to California. Don getting fired was the straw he needed to go west.

I think next season will be about Don getting his shit together and getting his revenge on SC&P for shit canning him. I think all the California scenes from seasons past were laying the foundation for this move. IRL during the '70s did the ad industry move out west? I know how this show likes to chronologically follow the real historic timeline.

I dunno. The thing with Sally at the end makes me think Don's not going anywhere. California's always been a dream for him. California is the real Don Draper's place (he and Anna lived there) and our Don is moving more towards being Dick Whitman.
post #697 of 760
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Rain maker or not, at some point people get fed up with shenanigans. Ad agencies without Don seem to do fine, maybe the company will try to find replacements to fill his shoes (cue Duck with a candidate). Don't worry little ones, next season he will be called back to work after a few months off.

If we use the "agency without X is doing fine" logic, then SCDP was doing more than fine when Bert was totally sidelined as a token yoda and Roger was hanging onto his career by a very thin thread as he lost Lucky Strike and got pressured by junior partner like Pete.

IMO Don has done nothing wrong for his career this whole season.

The only questionable behavior is his Hershey's pitch. Maybe he pissed off the other partners when he said he wants to go to LA? Even then, that was a very good business decision.

So I still don't understand how a new senior accounts partner with no new accounts, an old accounts partner who struggled to get new clients, and a complete side lined yoda, and a creative partner that got pussy whipped can manage to threw out the biggest contributor to the firm.
post #698 of 760
OTC, you're making my point for me. I feel like he had an epiphany and that he needs to change his life and come to terms with his past, which that last scene indicates he may be starting to do. He did say that the kids would probably prefer to spend summers in California than every other weekend in Manhattan. Up to this point he has been on the Don Drapper path and he finally sees what it has gotten him and he doesn't like it. Why not go back to where he was happy?
post #699 of 760
Because he is shedding the Don Draper image and revealing his true self.

California belongs to his assumed identity. What he did in the Hershey's room was start to reveal Dick Whitman. Don Draper was happy with Meghan in LA, but I don't think Dick Whitman even wants to be with Meghan, and he certainly belongs in the east.

The thing with the kids was more of a "Don Draper doesn't give a fuck about his kids but Meghan wants an answer so the answer that they would prefer the summer in LA (which sounds like something he would say to recover in a client pitch meeting when things look like they are going south)"
post #700 of 760
Yeah California was just a band aid. He's carried this lie (and others) for so long that he's breaking down mentally amd physically because of it and realizing he needs to be his true self (or at least recognize it more or less fully) or game over.

I'm not sure he'll give up the name Don Draper but he most likely will give up everything associated with it.
post #701 of 760
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IMO Don has done nothing wrong for his career this whole season.

The only questionable behavior is his Hershey's pitch. Maybe he pissed off the other partners when he said he wants to go to LA? Even then, that was a very good business decision.

So you feel blowing the IPO and not becoming a multimillionaire in 1968 was the best move? I remember Pete saying something to Joan her measley 5% stake would be worth a cool million and that's back when a million was a million. Not sure how much Don owns but I'm sure far more than 5% as he was a named partner.

Additionally, Cooper said the capitalization would double the size of the company. Okay, now Don is creative director for a company twice as big and he did not have to take on Ted and company.

Pretty sure him blowing the IPO was still sticking in a lot of craws.
post #702 of 760
Jim Cutler has a good nose. First he chased after Moira asking, "Is that Shalimar?" and a few episodes later we saw the two of them returning from lunch or something together. Now he notices that Peggy is wearing Chanel No. 5.
post #703 of 760
jim cutler is awesome. i like his character a lot. though i am not sure what he does exactly.

was it not mentioned previously that the partners were very close to being millionaires a few seasons ago?

sure don fucked up, but he is not without good company in that regard. i think that was written in for the progress of the show and his character, leading to the series finale, even though it could be well argued that it was not good business sense and did not really fit within what they (the firm) would have done. it was kind of needed for the show and the character to go to next level.

and i think that if they wrote in him doing something truly colossally horrible, it would turn off viewers and not really fit within dons character either.

basically, i dont think there was any way to write his firing that would work and be fully sensible in all regards. but hey, it a tv show right?
post #704 of 760
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Because he is shedding the Don Draper image and revealing his true self.

California belongs to his assumed identity. What he did in the Hershey's room was start to reveal Dick Whitman. Don Draper was happy with Meghan in LA, but I don't think Dick Whitman even wants to be with Meghan, and he certainly belongs in the east.

The thing with the kids was more of a "Don Draper doesn't give a fuck about his kids but Meghan wants an answer so the answer that they would prefer the summer in LA (which sounds like something he would say to recover in a client pitch meeting when things look like they are going south)"

I think you have this backwards. California is where he was Dick with Anna, where he admitted to Sally that Dick was his name, where he was a friendly guy asking mechanics if he could help out, where he was his true Dick Whitman self with Meghan. Even at the hollywood party, he tells a woman that calls him Don "I told you that's not my name." He has always been more of his true self in California.
post #705 of 760
Maybe he feels more comfortable being Dick in California with Anna...but thats only because she knows the secret. The only reason he is there in the first place is because of his assumed identity. If there was no Don, there would be no trips to California.
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So you feel blowing the IPO and not becoming a multimillionaire in 1968 was the best move? I remember Pete saying something to Joan her measley 5% stake would be worth a cool million and that's back when a million was a million. Not sure how much Don owns but I'm sure far more than 5% as he was a named partner.

Additionally, Cooper said the capitalization would double the size of the company. Okay, now Don is creative director for a company twice as big and he did not have to take on Ted and company.

Pretty sure him blowing the IPO was still sticking in a lot of craws.

To be fair to Don, if you are working through the papers on an IPO without the knowledge of one (two? did roger know) of your 3 living named partners...that's kind of a dick move. Hard to get mad if he does something that screws it up if he doesn't even know it is happening.
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