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post #2446 of 3690
you should read this post again and I am sure you can find the answer. A lot of ppl shared experience, just read those reviews and should not take too long time.
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Originally Posted by sfStartups View Post

Is that really what happened to WW Chan?

The fact that they won't discount a $10,000 USD order is baffling to me. 

The way I see it now: there's mytailor.com/Joe, Y William Yu, A MAN HING CHEONG and Gordon Yao. Basically, in that order, from cheapest to most expensive. As for quality, maybe Y William Yu is slightly below the others, and Gordon Yao may be the best, inching above AMHC by a point, but I think they are basically the same?

What I'm looking for is: Basic fabrics, stuff I can wear rough (I am not a gentle guy), for a six foot three mountain biker with huge legs. I want British styling conventions and British cloth (or at the very least, not Italian cloth. I equate Italian with less durable, maybe I'm wrong?). I want full canvas, soft shoulder (maybe some padding but not much), working buttonholes, hand stitching only when it's necessary, a clean suit and shirts, non-silk lining (since I sweat, but I forget the name of the fabric that's like silk but isn't sticky), colorful fabrics (especially w.r.t. shirts), double vents, no pleats, no cuffs. 

I don't understand "hard" vs "soft" coats. I've tried really hard. I look at a Huntsman suit and I look at an A&S suit and they both look nice.

I think any of those tailors will accomplish this? It doesn't have to be a perfect suit but it's gotta be better than OTR during sales at BG or Saks, not to mention, cheaper.

Can you help me? THANKS smile.gif
post #2447 of 3690
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Originally Posted by Merino Bros View Post
 

 

My Tailor, Y William Yu, A MAN HING CHEONG and Gordon Yao, plus Ying Tai, William Yu, Tai Pan Row and Ascot Chang are within your budget USD1300-1700 range. They all have good reputations for many years and should be able to satisfy what you listed.

 

Whether each one is superior to others really depends on indivudal's experience. It is also quite sure that if you can have more fittings and give them more time to finish, the final products would naturally be better.    

 

For less expensive USD$1000-1300 range, you can also consider Dream Bespoke, Brown's Tailor and Practical Tailor, which are younger but still be competent to provide full canvassed suit.  

Well, Y William Yu is quoting me $1050 for a 2 piece suit and I'm sure I can get him lower with a bulk order (I have 15K USD earmarked to clothing this spring; I have changed jobs and I have no clothes other than PJs and t shirts and one pair of chinos and it isn't acceptable anymore). So, Dream, Brown's and Practical... what is the value proposition over Y William Yu, if they are the same price? I don't care the history, or how long they've been there, if they can make a properly fitted piece of clothing.

 

I'd love to do multiple fittings the first time to get it right but it seems many tailors won't do this.

 

Honestly, due to my lifestyle, I love the idea of mytailor.com. All the swatches are online and I can browse at 4am. But I have seen almost nothing in terms of reviews, with or without pictures, from people. The only comments you hear about mytailor are "good value for the money and Joe is a good guy". Vague statements at best. If someone can tell me they are just as good as Yao, Y William Yu, AMHC et al, I'm in. Until then, I wonder and wonder.

post #2448 of 3690
There isn't really that much room for bargaining really.
post #2449 of 3690
I'm surprised Chan quoted you 18.3k HKD for a basic 2 piece suit. I saw them on your about a month ago and there were a lot of fabrics at 12k or just above that. I personally went with Minnis fresco, a popular open weave cloth, and got a second pair of trousers for ~17.6k. They charged me the same for a different fresco suit when I visited HK in March. My friend also ordered a 2pc in dugdales 110 for maybe 12.5k or so (don't remember the exact price).
post #2450 of 3690
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Originally Posted by dawei94 View Post

I'm surprised Chan quoted you 18.3k HKD for a basic 2 piece suit. I saw them on your about a month ago and there were a lot of fabrics at 12k or just above that. I personally went with Minnis fresco, a popular open weave cloth, and got a second pair of trousers for ~17.6k. They charged me the same for a different fresco suit when I visited HK in March. My friend also ordered a 2pc in dugdales 110 for maybe 12.5k or so (don't remember the exact price).

That sounds more realistic. About a year ago, one fellow mentioned being given a quote $1,660 for a 2-piece from VBC 110.
post #2451 of 3690
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Originally Posted by phillycheese View Post
 

Reasons not to share a good tailor on the internet - they'll become a WWChan type story.  Jacked up prices and quality standards cannot keep up with demand.  It's too bad.  

 

Not entirely untrue but there are other highly significant factors at play as well: massive rises in commercial rents in Hong Kong and the ever-dwindling pool of highly-skilled manual workers.

post #2452 of 3690
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Originally Posted by sfStartups View Post

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Hi.

I want to buy a bunch of suits, shirts and trousers in one go and then on an ongoing basis to keep my wardrobe full. I'm happy to fly to Hong Kong to go to the right guy and make a nice trip out of it. Afterwards, I'd like to make orders over the phone, internet, whatever.

I want a solid tailor that charges good prices. WW Chan said a suit will cost $18,300 HKD. I don't know if they hate me or this is really what they are up to now, but I want something cheaper. 

I've heard good things about Gordon Yao. Who is considered the best?
I know WW Chan is up there but I'm not paying $2300 for a Hong Kong suit. I can get a British traveling tailor make me a suit for a $600-800 more. 
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People make vague references to mytailor.com not being the greatest, but I can find almost no information on here, ask andy, or elsewhere about them, and certainly no pictures (although I understand why nobody posts pictures since everyone has a problem with every single piece of clothing posted on here). I like the idea of mytailor and the prices are good but I have not seen anybody really say anything about them.


What are my options. In the $1300-1700 range? I want basic fabrics and nothing really fancy. Just something that fits properly and looks good on me, following British tailoring styles and conventions.

From what I understand: The best Hong Kong tailor is WW Chan but his prices are insane now. Then there are a bunch of others, but no real guidance is given. Can someone just clearly break it down? Again, I want a British styled suit in the $1300-1700 range.

Not sure if any of that pricing is correct, but even if so, you may still be better off with Chan. Just sayin.
post #2453 of 3690
They decided to move to Central where the rents are high, especially as they had a relationship with the Armoury who were already in Central to begin with. But they are not in a retail mall so rent is not the whole story. There is no reason a Chan suit costs HKD3-5k more than a Baromon suit. It's all about demand and they can charge people with their earned rep and other HK tailors not as adept at promotion. But they have to maintain that rep which is much harder, as you say, the number of trained tailors at Chan is limited.
post #2454 of 3690
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Originally Posted by Merino Bros View Post

My Tailor, Y William Yu, A MAN HING CHEONG and Gordon Yao, plus Ying Tai, William Yu, Tai Pan Row and Ascot Chang are within your budget USD1300-1700 range. They all have good reputations for many years and should be able to satisfy what you listed.

Whether each one is superior to others really depends on indivudal's experience. It is also quite sure that if you can have more fittings and give them more time to finish, the final products would naturally be better.    

For less expensive USD$1000-1300 range, you can also consider Dream Bespoke, Brown's Tailor and Practical Tailor, which are younger but still be competent to provide full canvassed suit.  
AMan has earned their rep and in my opinion still are true to their roots. You will get a more conservative cut and they are more discreet ( ie less self promotion unlike other tailors). They have their own idea of cutting so you have to be firm with what you want. My boss gets all his shirts and suits done there. Gordon Yao also has a good rep, but they try to sell harder in my opinion. That may put some people off. Y William Yu - I used them 20 years ago when I first arrived in HK. Probably a notch down from AMan and Yao. Ascot Chang has arguably the best shirts in HK with pricesto match. Ying Tai is more the old fashioned traditional tailor, very conservative cut, not unlike AMan. They also don't seem as busy whenever Iwalk in there but the tailor is very customer friendly and spends more time with you. Suit quality is fine for daily wear. Taipan is more glossy but 've never looked at their wares closely.
post #2455 of 3690
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Originally Posted by chobochobo View Post

There isn't really that much room for bargaining really.

I find it hard to believe an Asian company not offering discounts on large orders. Tailors are the only holdouts in Asia that don't offer discounts for bulk orders?
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Originally Posted by TheTukker View Post

Not sure if any of that pricing is correct, but even if so, you may still be better off with Chan. Just sayin.

What do you mean you aren't sure if the pricing is correct? I didn't make a typo. I asked the price for a 2 piece suit with basic wool fabrics: 18,200 HKD. I agree the price is insane; like I said maybe they hate me but since these Asian tailors don't publish prices and it changes all the time they can do whatever they want. It doesn't help that people don't regularly share prices, hence why there are countless posts on this forum
And elsewhere that says "mind if you share prices?" Like its a favor to know the price a business charges for an item. Sigh.
Okay now that that is cleared up why would you recommend WW Chan over the other few tailors I mentioned? Thank you.

BTW that Y William Yu suit posted above is gorgeous. I see no fault with it but what do I know.
post #2456 of 3690
Why does it matter if they are Asian or not? Chan makes bespoke suits the same way a European or American tailor does. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the process or not, but it's not very automated, so there's not much economies of scale, and thus, little savings with a larger order that can be passed on to you.

As for pricing, I just shared the prices my friend and I received earlier this year. In addition, it does actually say what the pricing is on their website. If you go to the Q&A section of their website, you'll see this:

Q4:How much do your suits cost?
A4:Jacket/Suit prices vary depending on fabrics chosen. Our prices start at around 12,000 HK Dollars.
post #2457 of 3690
If you have such a problem with these "Asian" tailors, you're better off looking elsewhere for your cheap suit
post #2458 of 3690
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Originally Posted by dawei94 View Post

Why does it matter if they are Asian or not? Chan makes bespoke suits the same way a European or American tailor does. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the process or not, but it's not very automated, so there's not much economies of scale, and thus, little savings with a larger order that can be passed on to you.

As for pricing, I just shared the prices my friend and I received earlier this year. In addition, it does actually say what the pricing is on their website. If you go to the Q&A section of their website, you'll see this:

Q4:How much do your suits cost?
A4:Jacket/Suit prices vary depending on fabrics chosen. Our prices start at around 12,000 HK Dollars.
 
There might not be economies of scale, but I'm pretty sure a prominent tailor on this forum and elsewhere recently (in the past six months) closed shop. Tailors not being good businesses are a common theme. Let's not kid ourselves. From one end of the world, Steed offers a discount for large orders. All the top firms in the US and UK offer discounts to agents to keep movie business because the relationship is worth it to them and they are buying a lot. If someone buys 5-7 suits and 10 shirts, a discount is in order. Asian companies tend to be cheaper for everything, suits included, which is why westerners go there and various tailors offer a discount. It is fine that I don't want to do business with a specific shop because they won't offer a discount (not to mention they seem to be quoting me ~$5,000 HKD over their regular costs). As I said, I directly emailed them and asked for a price list for 2 piece suit, jacket, trousers and shirts. For transparency sake:
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Sorry,we do not have the package deal or discount. For your information,the price is about HK$18,300 for a 2pcs suit,HK$12,800 for a jacket,HK$6,200 for a trousers [...] a shirt,it costs HK$1,360 up made with the Thomas Manson 100% cotton fabric. All prices are subject to change without further notification. Products charges [sic] would adhere to the latest pricing. "

 
EDIT: I incorrectly named a tailor that is indeed still in business. i corrected the error within minutes of posting. I apologize. I'll look through emails and find which one it was. It was not a tailor in NYC that I named; I'm pretty sure this tailor is in NJ.
 
post #2459 of 3690
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Originally Posted by cchen View Post

If you have such a problem with these "Asian" tailors, you're better off looking elsewhere for your cheap suit

I welcome your suggestions on elsewhere to look. If you read my original post, I stated what I'm looking for and the price range. I believe I found four or five shops that will work. I asked for information on how to differentiate between them. What's wrong with that?

 

It's not "Asian" tailors, it's all of them, really. I distrust the practice really, as does most people here. Maybe distrust is the wrong word but ask 10 styleforum users a question about one tailor, and get 15 responses. It's worse than talking to a rabbi at Brandeis! :-) I approach things not as art per se, but as a mathematical system, and it's hard for me to feel like an informed consumer when I see people complain about just about every single bespoke suit posted here by any tailor, if any are posted at all, because people are afraid to post them because they are expecting to be ripped to shreds. It's a real problem. 

 

Since you're in Hong Kong and I'm planning on visiting soon (award tickets are wide open on AA over the next two months), I would love your input on how to differentiate between mytailor.com/Joe H, Y William Yu and Goron Yao. According to another poster, they can all make an English suit, but the posts I've seen on each tailor ends with the person not happy for whatever reason because they are off trying somebody else, searching for the bespoke holy grail... it leaves other consumers very, very confused. Thanks in advance.

post #2460 of 3690
In the end all you can do is read the reviews... see the results... and then try one. No one can really predict how your suit will turn out because there are too many factors (tailor chosen, your competence in ordering a suit... Etc). Everyone's sartorial journey is unique. Don't take it too seriously and have some fun while you're at it. Good luck!
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