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post #256 of 301
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Originally Posted by VRaivio View Post

I really wish they'd publish new editions of Esquire's Encyclopedia and Men In Style. I still haven't read the two and I'm sure both would sell well with proper marketing. The former would educate and work as reference, the latter would suit as eye candy inspiration.
Probably Men in Style might sell but the Encyclopedia, I have my doubts. It's a beast. I love it but it really is for the specialist.
post #257 of 301
You know what would be really good? If someone did a new, annotated Apparel Arts anthology. Another Men in Style.
post #258 of 301
I tried that, spent a year on it and then the publisher bailed. Too hard to get the rights.
post #259 of 301
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I tried that, spent a year on it and then the publisher bailed. Too hard to get the rights.

That's too bad. You'd think they'd want to make money off those things rather than have them passed around the internet like saintly remains.
post #260 of 301
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I tried that, spent a year on it and then the publisher bailed. Too hard to get the rights.
Sorry to hear they bailed. I'd certainly appreciate it.
post #261 of 301
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Originally Posted by RSS View Post

The best thing about being my age is that I was a 'Gent' long before there was an 'i' .... before the 'i' was even a twinkle in Gore's eye.

Wikipedia includes the following in its description of a gentleman:

"In its best use, moreover, gentleman involves a certain superior standard of conduct, due, to quote the 8th edition once more, to "that self-respect and intellectual refinement which manifest themselves in unrestrained yet delicate manners." The word gentle, originally implying a certain social status, had very early come to be associated with the standard of manners expected from that status. Thus, by a sort of punning process, the "gentleman" becomes a "gentle-man"."

The characterization of iGent seems to lose much of this grace
post #262 of 301
It was really worse than it, it wasn't so much that we had people saying "no" it's that no one could quite figure out who had the actual rights and the most likely candidates--Conde Nast and Hearst--just didn't want to be bothered. So they insisted on a laborious process for each picture that would have been harder than actually producing the book. And then at the end of the day they wouldn't even confirm whether they actually owned the rights or not. I think they honestly didn't know, didn't care, had other things to do, and just wanted us to go away.
post #263 of 301
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Probably Men in Style might sell but the Encyclopedia, I have my doubts. It's a beast. I love it but it really is for the specialist.

There's a new (old one) on Amazon about $1800. Serious money for any book.

I noticed it only goes up to '74, which is pre-disco!
post #264 of 301
That's when it was published, there never was another edition that I know of. It's always been expensive but that's quite a premium these days.
post #265 of 301
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Originally Posted by bertie View Post

Wikipedia includes the following in its description of a gentleman:

"In its best use, moreover, gentleman involves a certain superior standard of conduct, due, to quote the 8th edition once more, to "that self-respect and intellectual refinement which manifest themselves in unrestrained yet delicate manners." The word gentle, originally implying a certain social status, had very early come to be associated with the standard of manners expected from that status. Thus, by a sort of punning process, the "gentleman" becomes a "gentle-man"."

The characterization of iGent seems to lose much of this grace
Bertie, these days gentlemen seem to me a rarity ... possibly on the verge of extentiction. I hope something changes.

I certainly don't think I qualify ... although I try.
post #266 of 301
I've been out of the loop so long. Are there any current style books -- in the last few years or so -- worth the purchase?
post #267 of 301
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I've been out of the loop so long. Are there any current style books -- in the last few years or so -- worth the purchase?

Like for a someone such as yourself or a beginner how-to book?
post #268 of 301
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Bertie, these days gentlemen seem to me a rarity ... possibly on the verge of extentiction. I hope something changes.

I certainly don't think I qualify ... although I try.

RSS - I think it is by definition aspirational. Trying, in this sense, is 90% of the battle.

As to recent style books, it seems there are the bookends of nostalgia (Sherwood's Savile Row) or the modern Esquire/Details handbooks.
post #269 of 301
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

I tried that, spent a year on it and then the publisher bailed. Too hard to get the rights.

Well, damn. Sorry to hear that. That would have been excellent.
post #270 of 301
The resistance to black suits predates the Internet. I tried to get Anderson & Sheppard to make a black funeral suit back in the late 70s. They insisted it be charcoal.

That said, just this week I was standing on line and the person in front of me was wearing a truly beautiful black suit. Not one of the dead black variety that are so common. This one was quite alive.
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