'iGent Myths Busted!'



RDiaz said:

If you choose your mentors well, I don't know how on earth learning to dress in the Internet is any different from learning in "real life". In fact, you might grow up "learning" how to dress in coat and tie from people who dress like ****.

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I would argue that most people have no choice. Given that so few people dress in tailored clothing anymore, and even fewer do it well, you're not likely to learn it from your father or from others around you. Most people have to seek it out.



Manton said:

When I was in grad school, there were a couple of guys who were just out-and-out atheist/nihilists. Nothing is true, the pereciptible order to the universe is a sham (one went so far as to endorse Descartes' "deus deceptor" argument), all apparent reality is illusion, and so on.

Yet they showed up for class, read the books, wrote their papers and took their exams. I always wondered, though, what was the point? There is nothing, I get it. But then why study philosophy? Why study anything?

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how do you (or any of us) know that we are not simply brains in a vat? Is any of this really happening?

They were never iron rules, they were guides. Developed to make dressing easier. It was dressing by numbers if you like.

Sator's bases his argument on the wrong premise, That is, that the rules are rigid.

Trade mags don't support his case either because Trade mags don't necessarily reflect what is worn at a given time but what the sponsors/advertisers would like to be worn. They are pushing a look, which may or may not have been adopted, Similar to those L. Fellows plates.

Again, if the rules were rigid, there would have been little, to no evolution. We don't see many men dressed like Edwardians..

Tirailleur1 said:

This thread needs more bourbonbasted

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edmorel said:

how do you (or any of us) know that we are not simply brains in a vat? Is any of this really happening?

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Because you're always already involved in the world? Subject/object distinction is just ******* you up.

"The world is not an object such that I have in my possession the law of its making; it is the natural setting of, and field for, all my thoughts and all my explicit perceptions. Truth does not 'inhabit' only 'the inner man', or more accurately, there is no inner man, man is in the world, and only in the world does he know himself." -Merleau-Ponty

ps: I know you weren't seriously asking this but just so you know, this thing isn't that much of a philosophical problem nowadays...

As for Sator I find him to be quite knowledgeable in the arcane minutiae of tailoring but he usually fails when trying to articulate great principles because he's a little too psychorigid.

Uh, wait, brown shoes and a navy suit look sweet together. Or am I insane? Actually, I hardly ever wear my black shoes. Only with my black suit, my tux, or,occasionally with grey pants. Otherwise, it's one of my 7 pairs of various shades of brown shoes.

bourbonbasted said:

In any event, like it or not, we no longer live in a society where "rules" dictate a man's wardrobe to the point that some random dude will look down on you or call you out for wearing brown shoes with a navy suit..

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bourbonbasted said:

If you know why you like something, no one should be able to shake that belief based on the assumptions of "rules" or "norms." Style is personal by definition and the ideas of utility or correctness or appropriateness will inherently vary.

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I'll drink to that!



becnal said:

Uh, wait, brown shoes and a navy suit look sweet together. Or am I insane?

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I think he's referring to "no brown in town". I also think brown shoes with a navy suit look good.



becnal said:

Or am I insane?

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Depends if you're American or English.



bourbonbasted said:

I've read and done enough "research" to come to a simple conclusion: If I see something I like, I wear it; Internet need not apply.


Put the gun down. It's just clothes.

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bourbonbasted said:

I've read and done enough "research" to come to a simple conclusion: If I see something I like, I wear it; Internet need not apply.

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But would you concede that not everything we like (on the hanger) looks good on us, or is flattering, and therefore would best be left on the hanger?



bourbonbasted said:

I've read and done enough "research" to come to a simple conclusion: If I see something I like, I wear it; Internet need not apply. .

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Which begs the question of why you are posting on a clothing forum and have 3000 posts in little over 18 months.



Manton said:

Oh, and this thread needs more foo.

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Finally someone with the guts to state the one irrefutable truth from which all others emanate. God bless you Manton.

I'm a weird mix of those two and German nowadays.

DocHolliday said:

Depends if you're American or English.

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Lovelace said:

Which begs the question of why you are posting on a clothing forum and have 3000 posts in little over 18 months.

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He's a people person?