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post #31 of 74
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post #32 of 74
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Jesus i am a terrible, boring, self loathing, worthless person.

fixed for accuracy.

the show is great. anyone who bitches about plot holes in a TV show makes me chuckle..... Its a fuckin TV show. Not a thesis report.
post #33 of 74
Its not the plot holes, hell this show is only plot. There is nothing else going for it. And having these stories that exist for the sake of telling the story is bad writing. And not establishing why characters do something is pretty much the foundation for a good story as taught in all Creative Writing 101 classes.

Look there's so much potential with the show but it routinely fails to deliver. It would be more exciting (and intriguing) to see how Frank's actions fuck people up than having him be able to always fuck people's shit up (Really? He never stumbles? Really.)

So much of the symbolism is just terribly overwrought and not deftly employed (Frank is going to play chess by himself, that'll really hammer the point home!)

Would be interesting to see if those who liked it binge-watched or not.
post #34 of 74
Here's a better way of showing the show's weakness.

Give me three defining characteristics or lasting impressions for each of:

Frank
His wife (I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HER NAME)
Peter
Peter's GF/Deputy Campaign director (again....)
and Zoe if you feel like it.
post #35 of 74
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Please stop posting.

I've been watching one episode a week. I think that allows for characters, stories etc to sink in the most and I have to say... there are a TON of holes in HofC.

While I like watching the politicking involved, I find it truly hard to believe that Francis is this successful a wheeler-and-dealer that he can not only successfully plan a move to unseat the Speaker, he does so really to get the Majority Leader ousted, he can out-move the POTUS, can out-wit the CoS, and no one expects him of duplicity or somehow pulling some strings? Also,he's that well-connected and doesn't know he's being passed up for SoS?

That was some *really* flimsy evidence the reporter chick used to get into Francis' house. "Hey, here's a photo of you allegedly checking out my ass." Yeah. That'll really make someone in power want to listen to you. Then her boss calls her a c-bomb and she doesn't have immediately file a lawsuit, but somehow tweets it and he isn't put on leave immediately?

Also, a white Democrat in the Deep South? lol.

There were some other things but I think overall its done well enough to make it enjoyable.

chrissakes you need to get a life ed.
post #36 of 74
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Its not the plot holes, hell this show is only plot. There is nothing else going for it. And having these stories that exist for the sake of telling the story is bad writing. And not establishing why characters do something is pretty much the foundation for a good story as taught in all Creative Writing 101 classes.

Look there's so much potential with the show but it routinely fails to deliver. It would be more exciting (and intriguing) to see how Frank's actions fuck people up than having him be able to always fuck people's shit up (Really? He never stumbles? Really.)

So much of the symbolism is just terribly overwrought and not deftly employed (Frank is going to play chess by himself, that'll really hammer the point home!)

Would be interesting to see if those who liked it binge-watched or not.

Its TV dude. meant to be watched in small doses to entertain for 45 minutes. if youre spending a week thinking and contemplating characters, youre doing it wrong. thats what books are for.
post #37 of 74
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Here's a better way of showing the show's weakness.

Give me three defining characteristics or lasting impressions for each of:

Frank
His wife (I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HER NAME)
Peter
Peter's GF/Deputy Campaign director (again....)
and Zoe if you feel like it.


the show thrives imo on many characters that are completely one sided. they dont have many sides, and they dont change. they are all ultra focused on what they want and how they want to get it. frank and claire (that is his wifes name) are almost mirror images of each other. they are driven, shrewd and almost devoid of conscience.

i dont care to see HOW frank fucked up peoples life. its is entirely not germaine to the plot and his direction, which in essence is the show. does he never fuck up? idk, maybe. but that is why its TV not real life. why would i want to watch a show about a dude that fucks up? thats not very entertaining. watching a guy who perfectly executes seemingly all the time is entertaining.

peter was really just there for frank to remove the VP, they just took a standard fuck up congressman type, of which there are no shortage irl it seems. he is a good guy who grew up on the streets and is too nice/caring to fully commit to the game that is politics and what it takes, which i think is the root of his addiction issues. its almost intentional self destructive behavior. he was a one season piece and that is that. he is kind, flawed and confused.

peters GF was just there to bring out certain things in peters rise and fall. she was very minor imo, not worth worrying about how a great a character she is thus far.

zoe, that is TBD for me. her story and character is still being fleshed out (see what i did there?). she is conflicted between being driven and being idealistic, still learning the ropes/sloppy and hot.

you dont have to like the show, but "jesus this show is horrible" is a ridiculous statement. maybe you prefer a different type of entertainment, but your criques of the show thus far have been entirely unconvincing for me.
post #38 of 74
Stiches, you have no idea how horribly bad and wrong your analysis is, instead of shooting it to shreds I'll highlight one point:
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

why would i want to watch a show about a dude that fucks up?

conflict is the basis for drama, that's why.

I don't mean this to be offensive at all but you really need to re-take English 101. If you're entertained by it, fine. But this isn't some great TV show and presenting it as anything else is wrong.
post #39 of 74
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

conflict is the basis for drama, that's why.

I'll expand on this a little if you've seen "Breaking Bad" what was more compelling, seeing Walt successfully cook the meth or when the RV died? Meth cooking or seeing Jesse and his girl in bed. Even when he succeeded, he did so through conflict (lying to Skylar etc).
post #40 of 74
breaking bad is a great show, one of the best ever.

that being said, i think this show has more than enough drama and conflict to make it entertaining, and there are things outside of conflict that make great entertainment. awesome characters, a great story, wondering what will happen next....

there is no comparison between watching walt successfully cook meth and frank successfully position himself to be president.

in BB, the show is all about his conflict and struggles. its not a show about a man who becomes the awesomest most successful meth king pin ever. its about a man pushed to the edge and all the conflict and failure he runs into in the position he mistakenly put himself into. the intrigue of BB is walts lack of perfection.

whereas in HoC, the the show is about franks shrewd, calculated and heartless ambition. the show is not about his struggle, its about how he pieces together a very complex and intricate plan to get where he want to, and all the very shrewd and powerful people he has to out maneuver. that is what the shoe is about. if he were to reliably fuck up, it would never work and there would be no show. the show is about his perfection and the steps he takes to employ his skills.

since you brought up BB, let me say that despite its absolute greatness as TV entertainment, there are few shows with bugger plot holes or absurdities than BB. lets look at a few. brilliant mind, absolute top of the line chemist and general insane genius end up as loser HS teacher. unlikely. gets cancer and realizes being a meth cook is the best plan. unlikely. does not get killed by tuco or any other number of ruthless murderous drug players. unlikely. involves himself in this trade at great risk of a wife and 2 children. unlikely. said family is not murdered by drug lords. unlikely. is offered complete financial savior by an old colleague and friend, and turns it down off hand out of pride without consulting his family despite the reprieve it offers everyone. unlikely. pairs up with perennial fuck up jesse and manages not to get ruined or killed by their association. unlikely. murders numerous people in cold blod despite not being an otherwise evil dude with no conscience. continues to fuck up and yet is not killed by gustavo who kills at the drop of a hat. the list goes on and on.

point being, its a HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely set of circumstances, in fact id say it is an impossibility. but its a great and entertaining and a phenomenal story with phenomenal acting. that is why its great. no great show is ever plausible. not drama, not comedy, not medical or legal. if they were, it would not be on TV. no one wants to watch the mundane and plausible. its only a matter of what you allow yourself to forgo to enjoy what you are watching.

so you can take all your technical rules of why this show an terrible, but it doesnt matter. its intriguing, the acting is solid, its a story that is new and exciting, so people enjoy it. nothing you can point out will make that change.

tl;rd

post #41 of 74
Dude...you completely missed every point, even the ones you were trying to make.
post #42 of 74
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Dude...you completely missed every point, even the ones you were trying to make.

ok ed, sure. you got me. that was an excellent point. i am a failure and you are right. i will cease enjoying HoC from now on. i cant believe how blind i have been.
post #43 of 74
This thread is falling apart like a


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Tards.
post #44 of 74
Just finished the english version of House of Cards. It was very good.
post #45 of 74
Good Lord this show is dumb.
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