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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

I largely agree with this statement, but you are missing the real advantage Apple maintains over the competition. It's not just quantity of apps, but the quality of the apps. Apple has the largest quantity of quality, well designed, apps on the market. Android is a clear second here in phones, but is lagging far behind Apple with tablet apps. The problem with both the Windows Phone and BB10 ecosystem is they are filled with a large percentage of poorly designed apps. Many of which you get the feeling are there simply to boost the overall numbers with little regard to the end experience provided to the consumer.

There are numerous reasons for this and I do expect Android to rabidly gain ground here, but for now it's in Apple's court.
Claiming Apple will be fucked is hyperbole, but I agree that iOS is in need of some major changes. If we don't see some with iOS 7 they risk loosing mind-share among the tech community which has a way of trickling down to the average consumer. Implementing modern gestures would be a great step, but probably not at the top of my list...

While I have not played with BB10 myself, most reviews indicate that the gesture system they implemented is in need of work. This is certainly something the company could work on improving, but the question is do they have time? While reviews have mostly been on the side of positive, few seem to recommend it over the three major competitors already established on the market. This will be reflected in sales.

You're absolutely right, and while Apple is #1 in terms of quantity of Tier 2/3 apps, BB only really needs to get those Tier 1 apps and a good number of Tier 2/3 apps. Tier 1 apps should be available on all mobile platforms, ideally, and BB is missing a huge chunk of them. By Tier 1 apps, I'm referring to FB, Twitter, Netflix, Pandora, all the major games, etc. Tier 2 and 3 are merely separated by volume of downloads * app rating.

As for Apple being fucked without a major refresh of iOS 7, I still stand behind that statement, but with the added clarification that I say this from a shareholder's perspective. Consumer sentiment regarding Apple is already starting to shift for the worse and this WILL be reflected in poorer sales moving forward if Apple doesn't spruce up their software. Consequently, the stock will plummet as far as possible till the point where value investors come into play and say enough is enough. This is where Apple is now, where the stock is massively undervalued due to poor earnings results. Whether this poorer sentiment represents a cyclical bump to be ironed out or a secular shift all falls into the hands of Apple at this point.

If iOS 7 isn't refreshingly different with excellent functionality (it just works), guaranteed, fewer people will buy it, earnings will disappoint, and the stock will drop even more. Granted, Apple will still sell millions upon millions of iPhones -- don't get me wrong -- but they'll quickly get overtaken by Samsung at that point.

Now if only I could buy shares of Samsung...
post #32 of 55
I currently have a Casio Commando, which is a gigantic piece of shit. A waterproof/shockproof piece of shit, but a POS nonetheless. I hate it more every day. It's my first smartphone and it's fucking retarded. It's such a fundamentally flawed product, I have no idea how it gets the ratings it does. It comes preloaded with so many garbage apps that you can't remove that you can only load about five apps on it before it's out of space. You can add, but not delete email accounts. It's battery life is awful. Typing out words is a chore. I hate it.

Anyway, probably going to go BB. I have one for work and I like it.
post #33 of 55
Casio makes smartphones?
post #34 of 55
Yes. Primarily for the Japanese and Asian market. But they tend to be rather crap though. Not familiar with the Commando, but it sounds like the G-Shock of cell-phones, i.e. big, ugly and clunky.
post #35 of 55

All in all : It still is the ONLY phone that was cleared highest security clearance by ALL intelligence services.

 

And that even BEFORE it came out.

 

So hug you iPhone's (it sends your data and location to Apple without your consent),

 

Samsung's (tells everyone where you are without your consent) and-what-not,

 

with free available software from the internet I'll be happy to

 

look into your phone and address book from 150 yards.patch[1].gif

 

Just a thought.

post #36 of 55
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All in all : It still is the ONLY phone that was cleared highest security clearance by ALL intelligence services.

Now is that really all intelligence services, or just United States ones? e.g. FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, etc. I'm sure BB ran into problems in Egypt, because the Egyptian intelligence and other Egyptian government authorities didn't have back-door access to BB data. And so they blocked it.
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And that even BEFORE it came out.

]So hug you iPhone's (it sends your data and location to Apple without your consent),

Doesn't a BB do the same, phone home to RiM with your location, tracking and other data?
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Samsung's (tells everyone where you are without your consent) and-what-not,

I'm sure all smart-phones do it. And you probably are giving your consent, when you agree to the often lengthy EULAs and other ToS.
post #37 of 55

UAE banned BBs as well because they couldn't monitor BB messenger

post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

I currently have a Casio Commando, which is a gigantic piece of shit. A waterproof/shockproof piece of shit, but a POS nonetheless. I hate it more every day. It's my first smartphone and it's fucking retarded. It's such a fundamentally flawed product, I have no idea how it gets the ratings it does. It comes preloaded with so many garbage apps that you can't remove that you can only load about five apps on it before it's out of space. You can add, but not delete email accounts. It's battery life is awful. Typing out words is a chore. I hate it.

Anyway, probably going to go BB. I have one for work and I like it.


The BB you have for work is nothing like these new Blackberries' running BB10. It's a brand new modern OS from the ground up. Almost as drastically different from what you are used to as the "Metro UI" Windows Phone 7 & 8 phones are from the older Windows Phones that looked like this. I'd probably do a good hands on if I were you before making a decision.
post #39 of 55
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UAE banned BBs as well because they couldn't monitor BB messenger

People are just gonna buy sim cards from qatar...and I'm not sure this ban has happened, am still messaging people there with BBs
post #40 of 55
http://www.emirates247.com/business/technology/blackberry-10-updated-here-are-the-top-5-improvements-2013-03-03-1.497150

BB has issued a software update to address some of the major complaints people had about BB 10.

I don't know if you guys recognize the magnitude of this, but this is fucking AWESOME. I'm so happy that they're attentively looking at feedback and incorporating suggestions to improve the OS, and this only after a month since release.

If they keep this up, I have no doubt in my mind that BB will continue to refine BB 10 and make it much, much better than it is today.

If there's any positive sign that you should invest in BB, this is it. They're not just sitting on their asses like Apple and doing jack shit. They're listening.

Now, the lack of major apps is still a huge drawback and the only way around that is to boast large sales. App developers follow the crowd, and the crowd follows quality, so these improvements are implicitly taking BB in the right direction.

Good for you BB -- I hope you succeed. It's about time we see a third player to join the likes of Android and iOS. Windows Phone is not that third player.
post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

http://www.emirates247.com/business/technology/blackberry-10-updated-here-are-the-top-5-improvements-2013-03-03-1.497150

BB has issued a software update to address some of the major complaints people had about BB 10.

I don't know if you guys recognize the magnitude of this, but this is fucking AWESOME. I'm so happy that they're attentively looking at feedback and incorporating suggestions to improve the OS, and this only after a month since release.

If they keep this up, I have no doubt in my mind that BB will continue to refine BB 10 and make it much, much better than it is today.

If there's any positive sign that you should invest in BB, this is it. They're not just sitting on their asses like Apple and doing jack shit. They're listening.

Now, the lack of major apps is still a huge drawback and the only way around that is to boast large sales. App developers follow the crowd, and the crowd follows quality, so these improvements are implicitly taking BB in the right direction.

Good for you BB -- I hope you succeed. It's about time we see a third player to join the likes of Android and iOS. Windows Phone is not that third player.


3+ years later!
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by ter1413 View Post

3+ years later!

Better late than never!
post #43 of 55
The new update is massive for battery life. I was always waiting to charge at the end of the day but now if I don't use it too much I can stretch it to two.

For a personal mobile I have finally made my peace not having the physical keyboard.
post #44 of 55
OOh, you have the Z10? How do you like it?

I'm really considering switching to it when it comes out.. but I feel 'stuck' with apple because of the ecosystem. It's great that apple has made their platform so sticky and up until now, people kept buying more apple products because they all play together nicely.. it was a good type of 'stickiness,' if you will.

The tune's changed though, as I feel resentful towards it now. I feel trapped. And I hope that's not a sentiment most Apple users begin to develop, but I fear that will happen.
post #45 of 55
I still miss the unified inbox of my 9700. I wish ios had something like it, but it cant and will probably never have it. As i understand it the software will never allow it.

Now, if the z10 comes in a dualsim edition: instacop.
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