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post #46 of 62
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Originally Posted by Big Texas View Post

There doesn't appear (or smell) to be that much of a difference between Venetian and the much-worshipped Renovateur. The latter is a bit thicker, but by and large, they both seem very similar.

For the record, I've never been convinced that Reno is a fantastic conditioner. It leaves a decent shine, and this is precisely what makes me suspect that it's not really conditioning. Conditioner should be penetrating the leather and softening it; shining agents should be leaving a hardened layer of waxy/fatty substances on top of it. It feels as though these two things aren't mutually exclusive, per se, but that getting them from a single application of one product should be. I am not an organic chemist, though, so what do I know.

DWF - Interesting that you're liking Bick4 for conditioning dress shoes. I've always been accustomed to thinking of it as a heavy-duty boot conditioner. Doesn't it contain some sort of sealant? Also, what are your thoughts on Leather Honey?

Big,

I suspect you're on the right track with regard to conditioners versus polishes.

With regard to Bick4, I wonder if we're talking about the same thing. The Bick4 I have is a very lightweight emollient--reminds me of Cornhuskers hand cream. I like it as a lubricant as well as a conditioner for those times when I want to "bone out" pipes and wrinkles in a blocked vamp. The only problem is that is soaks in relatively quickly and the lubricating qualities disappear as it does.

Leather Honey...never seen or used it.
post #47 of 62
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post


Big,

I suspect you're on the right track with regard to conditioners versus polishes.

With regard to Bick4, I wonder if we're talking about the same thing. The Bick4 I have is a very lightweight emollient--reminds me of Cornhuskers hand cream. I like it as a lubricant as well as a conditioner for those times when I want to "bone out" pipes and wrinkles in a blocked vamp. The only problem is that is soaks in relatively quickly and the lubricating qualities disappear as it does.

Leather Honey...never seen or used it.

 

I'm with you on the Bick4. Same stuff. I was first given a bottle when I bought a pair of Lucchese ropers, and I've been accustomed to thinking of it as a cowboy boot conditioner and sealant. Maybe that introduction just set me in the wrong frame of mind for thinking about it as a dress shoe conditioner, and I'd certainly trust your expertise over my dead reckoning.

 

 

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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Leather Honey...never seen or used it.

 

 

You should check it out if you ever get a chance. I think it's available on Amazon these days. It's one of those small, mom 'n pop brands that's been around for ages (maybe even a century?). Again, I heard about it as a boot conditioner. It's very thick, with a consistency and appearance like tree sap (or honey, as it were). It seems to do a great job conditioning my boots, but it leaves a sticky residue if not used sparingly or worked in very methodically. That leaves me worried about using it on dress shoes. I know how you're always cautioning against using sticky products that attract dirt into creases, and to that end, I'm a bit concerned here. But the conditioning aspect of the product seems great.

post #48 of 62
Thread Starter 
Bickmore does make another heavier duty conditioner for use on more rugged boots and such. That is probably what you are thinking of.
post #49 of 62

I'm definitely talking about Bick4, and in fact, I'm looking at the bottle as I type this, just to make sure. Perhaps my use of the phrase "heavy-duty" was a bit of a miscommunication on my part. I didn't mean to imply that the conditioner itself is heavy or rough (it actually feels lighter than hand soap), but rather, that I had imagined it was only to be used on boots. It's often sold with motorcycle boots and cowboy boots, and accordingly, I had thought of it as being limited to such uses.

 

Like I said, I'd definitely take DWF's word on it over my best guesses. So if he's using it for dress shoes, I'll give it a shot. It's a very easy product to use, and it's not terribly expensive, so if it works, all the better.

post #50 of 62
Thread Starter 
Bick4 and Lexol. I'm also unconvinced about reno being as great of a conditioner as people say. I think it has a lot of solvents like turpentine and it seems to be mostly beeswax based on the smell.
post #51 of 62

5 years old. First 2 with AE leather lotion last 3 with Bick 4 which like I said appears to be the same thing. Never seen cream or wax to keep the contrast stitching intact.

 

 

I have 14 pairs of shell shoes and boots where I use Reno sparing and not often. I'll give it up when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

post #52 of 62
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post
 I have a lot of shoes, none that I consider cheap $600 and up, yet they all crack except for shell. I am at the point where I am considering only getting shell shoes, but this seems ridiculous. Even though I take care of my stuff, don't wear it in bad weather it still leads to cracked uppers.  

I don't think I have ever heard someone say that ALL of their expensive shoes are cracking (especially after claiming they were well maintained using the Saphie Products).  Maybe you can post all of these pictures.

post #53 of 62
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So this is the second thread you don't believe me in. I think I will post my cracked shoes. Why would I lie about having cracked shoes? I have nothing to gain here. I am just passing on my experience and hopefully others can learn from me. Also, go back to the shoe care thread where I bolded my assertion that Saphir products DID NOT RUIN MY SHOES. USING RENO AS A LONE CONDITIONER PROBABLY DID.
post #54 of 62
Venetian is my go-to shoe care gunk for all shell cordovan pairs. It saves me the trouble of buffing for a whole 30 minutes for that special otherwordly shell shine. I'm sure its main ingredient is tears from unborn baby kittens.
post #55 of 62
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

   , go back to the shoe care thread where I bolded my assertion that Saphir products DID NOT RUIN MY SHOES. USING RENO AS A LONE CONDITIONER PROBABLY DID.

Thank you for that clarification.  But you missed the instructions on its use, Patrick.  Saphir Renovateur is not to be solely used for 2-3 years without using the other Saphir Polish Cream - and if needed, the Saphir Polish Wax.

 

In all of your posts about how using Saphir Renovateur as a lone conditioner on your multiple pairs of $600 shoes, you never once (unless I missed it) posted that you used both the Saphot Renovateur AND the Saphir polishing products TOGETHER - as recommended in the written instructions.

 

I do believe you about the cracked leather, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  If you post the photos - then perhaps they can be used in returning your shoes to a luster you previously enjoyed.  If you'd like, I will make the calls for you.

 

The instructions also stated not to cross-use different brands (liken to cross contamination).  The owners recommended switching over entirely from a previous brand, such as AE polishes, creams, and waxes - by using the 5-step Saphir Process so that maintenance can be held down to a minimal 2-step product process.  But never the one-step.  (I believe you  - if I were to use Renovateur solely on my shoes - without the benefit of the other Saphir product - that my shoes would crack too).

 

Let me help,

 

David

post #56 of 62
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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Thank you for that clarification.  But you missed the instructions on its use, Patrick.  Saphir Renovateur is not to be solely used for 2-3 years without using the other Saphir Polish Cream - and if needed, the Saphir Polish Wax.

 

In all of your posts about how using Saphir Renovateur as a lone conditioner on your multiple pairs of $600 shoes, you never once (unless I missed it) posted that you used both the Saphot Renovateur AND the Saphir polishing products TOGETHER - as recommended in the written instructions.

 

I do believe you about the cracked leather, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  If you post the photos - then perhaps they can be used in returning your shoes to a luster you previously enjoyed.  If you'd like, I will make the calls for you.

 

The instructions also stated not to cross-use different brands (liken to cross contamination).  The owners recommended switching over entirely from a previous brand, such as AE polishes, creams, and waxes - by using the 5-step Saphir Process so that maintenance can be held down to a minimal 2-step product process.  But never the one-step.  (I believe you  - if I were to use Renovateur solely on my shoes - without the benefit of the other Saphir product - that my shoes would crack too).

 

Let me help,

 

David

 

 

 

Hangar Project themselves recommends using Saphir Renovateur alone:

 

"We recommend for the Renovateur to be used alone as a routine maintenance product as well as between coats of cream/wax as a cleaner and conditioner"

 

http://www.hangerproject.com/closet/saphir-renovateur.html#.UYMHx5WFH6M

 

i (and i bet others) have never heard that it requires using 2 or more additional Saphir products. 

post #57 of 62
So has there been any consensus on why Patrick's shoes are cracking?


Is it because he used Reno, or is it because of something else?


I would think others would have experienced the same problem by now if it were because of Reno????
post #58 of 62
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Thank you for that clarification.  But you missed the instructions on its use, Patrick.  Saphir Renovateur is not to be solely used for 2-3 years without using the other Saphir Polish Cream - and if needed, the Saphir Polish Wax.

In all of your posts about how using Saphir Renovateur as a lone conditioner on your multiple pairs of $600 shoes, you never once (unless I missed it) posted that you used both the Saphot Renovateur AND the Saphir polishing products TOGETHER - as recommended in the written instructions.

I do believe you about the cracked leather, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  If you post the photos - then perhaps they can be used in returning your shoes to a luster you previously enjoyed.  If you'd like, I will make the calls for you.

The instructions also stated not to cross-use different brands (liken to cross contamination).  The owners recommended switching over entirely from a previous brand, such as AE polishes, creams, and waxes - by using the 5-step Saphir Process so that maintenance can be held down to a minimal 2-step product process.  But never the one-step.  (I believe you  - if I were to use Renovateur solely on my shoes - without the benefit of the other Saphir product - that my shoes would crack too).

Let me help,

David
David, I also used saphir cream and wax.
post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post


David, I also used saphir cream and wax.

That's good to know.

 

I'd still like to help you out - if you would permit me to make some phone calls on your behalf.  

 

(If you think it would be more appropriate to PM me, then please do.  I would be livid myself if I found that all of my shoes were cracking)

 

David

post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

 

 

 

Hangar Project themselves recommends using Saphir Renovateur alone:

 

"We recommend for the Renovateur to be used alone as a routine maintenance product as well as between coats of cream/wax as a cleaner and conditioner"

 

http://www.hangerproject.com/closet/saphir-renovateur.html#.UYMHx5WFH6M

 

i (and i bet others) have never heard that it requires using 2 or more additional Saphir products. 

 

Tristan, what you posted here is a duplicate comment.  Without belaboring where you made some mistakes in your abridged observation of what Kirby wrote, please see my detailed answer in the other thread topic.

 

Thanks,

David

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