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post #16 of 28
OK Chuck, can you post info on these ties?
post #17 of 28
My list is focused on construction quality, includes different price points, and assumes you are paying retail Also, primarily RTW - I think that good bespoke is always the best value if yu can afford it: Suits/Sportcoats: Best - Oxxford, Castangia, Saint Andrews, Isaia, R. Caruso, Corneliani Worst - Armani, and any other high-priced fused suit Shirts: Best - Jantzen, Carlo Franco, Borrelli (you get a lot of shirt with Borrelli for not that much more than Lorenzini, and for a lot less than Kiton, Fray etc.) Worst -T&A, any designer Ties: Best - Carlo Franco, Robert Talbott Worst - regular Zegna, any designer Trousers: Best - Valentini Worst - no clear baddies here, there aren't such huge quality and price differences in the trouser category Shoes: Best - Alfred Sargent Premier and Premier Exclusive, Grenson Masterpieces, C&J Handgrade, Mantellassi, Vass Worst - Prada, Cole Haan, Hermes regular line, John Lobb, A. Testoni Luggage and leather goods: Best - Mulholland Brothers Worse - designer
post #18 of 28
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From a pure technical (quality of tailoring/consistency of fit vs. price) point of view of R-T-W: Suits/Jackets- Best Value: Oxxford - Corneliani Sartoria - Samuelsohn Worst Value: Brioni - Hickey-Freeman (pure dreck) - Hugo Boss
Bestmastertailor, I'm curious why you not only group Hickey as a worst value, but also label it "pure dreck." What don't you like about it in terms of construction? I have found that they have beautiful fabrics and they seem to be constructed nicely, and I just wonder what you are seeing that I'm not. You can regularly find HF for under $600, which is a great value for a canvas suit.
post #19 of 28
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You mentioned Bergdorf Castangia made to measure line as a good value, despite paying retail. Is an MTM suit made to individual measurements like their shirts or do they alter a stock size? Is there handwork (e.g. handsewn buttonholes or picked lapels)? Do you know the pricing? And, finally, I assume that you can get a winter weight suit, such as a flannel, during a summer visit to the City. Sorry for the tediousness (I'm obviously going to New York in the near future).
I didn't enquire as to the exact method they use, but I would guess that they alter a stock pattern to your spec, as with most MTM suits. They do have some fitting samples there for you to try on though. I would ask if there are any other models - I did not like the model I tried on there as much as some of the models they have had in past seasons. It was a bit more generic. Castangia suits are extremely well made, as good as Brioni IMO. Canvas front, handpicked lapels, handsewn buttonholes, even handsewn working buttonholes on the sleeves if you prefer. I didn't look closely at the fabrics, but I don't think that finding what you require would be a problem. If I remember correctly, prices start at $2200. You also might want to check out Bergdorf's Loro Piana bespoke program. Although the quality isn't quite as good as Castangia IMO.
post #20 of 28
I love these, because no matter what you write, 99% of everyone is going disagree with you.  Here is my take, and I am going to list only one brand per catagory listing best and worst bang for the buck.  Here we go: Suits: Best - Corneliani Worst - Armani Collezioni Shirts: Best - Jantzen Worst - Thomas Pink Pants: Best - Incotex Worst - Ballin Ties: Best - Carlo Franco Worst - Brioni Shoes: Best - Crockett and Jones Worst - Lattanzi Luggage: Best - TravelPro Worst - Tumi Now of course, I would love a few pairs of Lattanzi's and a complete Tumi luggage set, but as for bang for the buck, both are pretty bad.
post #21 of 28
Suits: Best - Corneliani Worst - BOSS Shirts: Best - Hilditch Worst - BOSS Shoes: Best - Crockett and Jones Worst - Boss
post #22 of 28
Watch Best = Oris Worse = Rolex
post #23 of 28
if were are talking about value i would say a lot has to do with how much you wear and like the garment. quality has little value if you stick it in the closet and never wear it because it doesn't look good on you. for some people a prada suit may be a much better deal than an oxxford because they'll keep reaching for that prada everytime they need to wear a suit. for me, the worst values in clothes are anything ready-to-wear that can be had mtm for a similar price.
post #24 of 28
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if were are talking about value i would say a lot has to do with how much you wear and like the garment. quality has little value if you stick it in the closet and never wear it because it doesn't look good on you.
This is very true. I really can't justify the price of Borrelli shirts, but they're a much better value to me than the Ike Behar shirts that I have. I wear my Borrellis all the time, but my Behars just stay in the closet.
post #25 of 28
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if were are talking about value i would say a lot has to do with how much you wear and like the garment. quality has little value if you stick it in the closet and never wear it because it doesn't look good on you. for some people a prada suit may be a much better deal than an oxxford because they'll keep reaching for that prada everytime they need to wear a suit. for me, the worst values in clothes are anything ready-to-wear that can be had mtm for a similar price.
Excellent points. An example, I have a black Versace dress shirt that is just amazing - the fabric is thin and light yet rich, it's got the perfect slim cut, the collar and cuffs are great, it looks good untucked, and it's absoultely flattering. However, many members of this forum would criticize the shirt as being overpriced for the level of quality you get. Yet, if I were to wear a Kiton, Lorenzini, or Borrelli dress shirt in the same manner as I wear my Versace, it would look terrible. The cut is way too full, even if I go down a full two neck sizes, and the look would just be off in general. When I bought the shirt, I was expecting to wear it for a year or two then move on. I wasn't looking for a shirt to last me 5 or 10 years, so the highest-quality wasn't an issue. The full retail was around $250, but I paid less. It wouldn't have been a good deal at full retail, but I consider it an excellent price at what I paid.
post #26 of 28
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if were are talking about value i would say a lot has to do with how much you wear and like the garment. quality has little value if you stick it in the closet and never wear it because it doesn't look good on you. for some people a prada suit may be a much better deal than an oxxford because they'll keep reaching for that prada everytime they need to wear a suit. for me, the worst values in clothes are anything ready-to-wear that can be had mtm for a similar price.
if you stick it in the closet and never wear it because it doesn't look good on you We suppose when you buy something it fits you... mtm for a similar price. [i] Why mtm is rtw is nice? For the same price but not the same quality
post #27 of 28
johnny norman: I was talking about value vs. regular price. There is a reason one can find a bunch of hickey-freemans at $600.00....because they are not selling. In their collection make......the ONLY hand work are the buttonholes,the label stitching and the top armhole. The trousers are not even close in terms of make as middle of the road trousers. Then you have their LTD make which is a sanitary suit, untouched by human hands. Hickey is  a good deal at $499.00, not $1,000.00
post #28 of 28
johnny norman: I was talking about value vs. regular price. There is a reason one can find a bunch of hickey-freemans at $600.00....because they are not selling. In their collection make......the ONLY hand work are the buttonholes,the label stitching and the top armhole. The trousers are not even close in terms of make as middle of the road trousers. Then you have their LTD make which is a sanitary suit, untouched by human hands. Hickey is a good deal at $499.00, not $1,000.00
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