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post #16 of 55
Nobody gave me any restrictions on photos that could be published. Some said I couldn't take photos. But nobody said, "ok, but I have to see it before it goes online"
post #17 of 55
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So how does that work? Shaya mentioned vendors being very protective over what photos could be published. Do they allow you to freely take photos, but they dictate what can be published online?

Also, is this why the only photos you ever see come out of Pitti are close-up shots and not full product views? (or at least the majority of the time)

It depends on the vendor. Both Unbelragazzo and I got permission for any type of shot from Belvest. I volunteered to get the photos okayed, as a professional courtesy, since they were gracious enough to let us run amuck. There are 2 reasons for close up shots.

First is that a lot of more traditional menswear is really about the fabric and the details, so we put on a lens that is good for that and portraits, and shoot away. When you are outdoors and shooting people, like the street bloggers, you need a telephoto lens. It would be a huge pain to keep on switching out lenses.

Second, the composition is more difficult to get right on a full product. You often do that if you are buying, but the shots, unless the piece is moved around, or already properly styled on a mannequin, often don't look great. The angle is off, the shoulders are not set correctly on the hanger, you didn't leave proper whitespace, your focus is on the wrong part of the garment, etc....
post #18 of 55
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Nobody gave me any restrictions on photos that could be published. Some said I couldn't take photos. But nobody said, "ok, but I have to see it before it goes online"

That's often the case with the CM vendors. With the SWD vendors, for whatever reason, vendors are often more protective, and you have to develop a good relationship with the vendor, often for several years, before they really trust you.
post #19 of 55
+1 on the composition part. Most of the smaller stands are not set up to be photographed really. Their just racks with clothes on them, maybe with one or two mannequins set up in the front, but with most of the stuff, you'll have to take a picture of it on a hanger. And since there's not space set up to hang something with it facing out, you may even have to have one of the sales staff hold it while you take a picture of it.
post #20 of 55
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It might have been their 'Jacket in a Box' jacket?

never heard of that. they were on hangars though.
post #21 of 55
Great stuff, guys! Thanks for the ongoing reviews and previews.
post #22 of 55
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never heard of that. they were on hangars though.

they look like This spam[1].gif

but yeah, jacketinthebox is their super unstructured lightly roll it up and throw it in a suitcase jacket. it would make sense that they'd be on hangers as mannequins don't really do them justice
post #23 of 55
The ideal seems like if someone could wear a piece, in their size, and photos are taken. That way we get a sense of what the garment really looks like when it's on. But obviously that's a bit awkward and probably not terribly easy to do.
post #24 of 55
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they look like This spam[1].gif

but yeah, jacketinthebox is their super unstructured lightly roll it up and throw it in a suitcase jacket. it would make sense that they'd be on hangers as mannequins don't really do them justice

cool. the ones i saw were all cotton, maybe some linen, iirc. but they loked to be structured (unstructured) like that. thanks for the info.
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The ideal seems like if someone could wear a piece, in their size, and photos are taken. That way we get a sense of what the garment really looks like when it's on. But obviously that's a bit awkward and probably not terribly easy to do.

I WOULD TOTALLY VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT!!! FOK, BRING ME NEXT YEAR TO BE YOUR PHOTO-SHOOT MODEL!!!

I will even wear silly hats if needed. smile.gif
post #25 of 55
Yea I mean then they're hiring models to wear their stuff and everything. Then it's basically a fashion show or a fashion shoot. Pitti Uomo for the most part is not that. At some places, salespeople are wearing stuff by the brands they represent. You can get some sense from these. At one place in particular, which I'll write about later, I learned something valuable from this. But it may not have been what the brand wanted me to learn. It's an additional expense and difficulty to find representatives that look good in your clothes and wear them well.
post #26 of 55
I meant you guys. There were three of you, right?

post #27 of 55
Ha, well yes but:

1) we didn't travel together - there were a couple of times when Fok and I were at the same stand at the same time, but I never saw John except when we did game planning at lunch or breakfast

2) I think everything on the floor is a size 50R. I'm not a size 50R unless it's something that really runs big. I'm more like a 52 between R and L. It's possible Fok or John is.
post #28 of 55
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post #29 of 55
Also, brands would probably be much less likely to approve those type of pics. It's one thing when it's on the rack, but it's another thing when the picture is of you and they haven't picked you as someone who looks good in their clothes, and clothing hasn't been altered, etc.. The entire time I was there I don't think I ever saw anybody try on anything. Which kind of surprised me, but maybe experienced retailers know what something will fit like without having to try it, or have experience with each brand's cuts from previous buys.
post #30 of 55
Mmm. More examples of why Belvest deserves a more celebrated status on SF. They make some outstanding pieces.
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