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I think you're not really appreciating the arbitrariness of a many of the things you say, ie: wearing only Plaza lasted longwings is an 'ok' idiosyncrasy, yet having a curved yoke isn't. And how much of an idiosyncrasy is having a curved yoke anyway? We know the style is acceptable within the greater canon (see Western coats), so is it that much of a leap to adopt a feature of an accepted garment and apply it to to another piece? And what if someone found a picture of such a coat? Then would it be ok?

I guess it comes down to this: I think you believe that is a much more cohesive and defined canon of classic menswear than there is. The reason I mentioned the hundreds of different configurations and styles of overcoats that can be considered 'classic' is because of this. Clearly the tailors who were first innovating and making the garments that developed into what you believe is the classic menswear canon were much less restrictive than you have become.

Finally, you're right that a button down collar suggests a certain casualness, but I would also argue that having a curved yolk also suggests something -- both garments are conversant, and I would describe neither act as 'functional.'

As Baron pointed out, when you're describing a curved yoke as 'objectively ugly' than it's difficult to have a conversation with you about any of this. As I said in my first post, your line of argument here just screams '19th century positivism!' to me, especially read with your explanation of modernism.

Oh no I understand the context, but I still think such a blanket pronouncement (or even the use of the word objectively) is wrong. Again, to rephrase: everything you're saying in this thread is through the filter of your very particular belief in what the canon of classic menswear is. I don't think your understanding of what constitutes this canon, which is extremely rigid, is shared by most, and thus must be acknowledged as very arbitrary. It's fine that your particular understanding guides your own purchases - and is true of most people - but the problem is when you cannot see outside of this understanding.

+1. You asked me to say but this really nails it.

From the LH blog:

I don’t want to bother anyone with what will be cool or not next winter season, I’m attending Pitti in florence this year and i will show up some new outfit that inspired me !!

Pay attention to my camel coat, no buttons, no breast pocket only one belt as Mr Richard Gere use to wear it in American Gigolo’ !!

I will post every night some new photos in order for all of you to enjoy it !

Best,

L.R.

What is the difference between a "representation" and a "warranty" in a merger agreement?

I ask because there may have been a distinction 100 years ago. In 2013, there is no distinction that anyone can convincingly articulate.

That may very well be the case here. We might just be a living in an era where the only thing we can agree on is that your coat is an overcoat. The key is that it is aesthetically beautiful.

How about we let you do the talking, since you made it

http://www.styleforum.net/t/212052/bespoke-overcoat/135#post_4935518

Boom!

What about your Modified Brooks Brothers OCBD? You "redesigned" a classic menswear piece. Double-button collar, French placket, two-button mitered cuffs, no chest pocket, and no back pleats. Is your, largely, cosmetic redesign of a classic item really that different from Taub's cosmetic redesign? I find your modification of a classic item more radical than his. And that's not a knock. I liked some of the modifications enough that I actually ripped-off some of your tweaks to make my own Modified Modified Brooks Brothers OCBD. I realize that my version is not classic, and I don't really care. I just like the way it looks.

Here's part of the original post for those interested:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/72046/modified-brooks-brothers-ocbd-improvement-or-crime-against-nature/0_20

The biggest difference I can think of is that most casual observers would not necessarily pick up on foo's changes, where many more people would probably easily spot that an asymmetrical back yoke on an otherwise classic overcoat is something unusual. The asymmetrical yoke is much more overt, even if it is less radical.

the assymetrical yoke is obviously weird , and I don't particularly like it either.

But the rounded yoke lining up with the seams on the arms is not very radical at all. I think more people would notice a two button button-down than the yoke on the back of the Taub great coat.