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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

hey guys.  Im new here, and probably for good reason.  Im getting married towards the end of the year, and have been looking for a black (and yes, Ive heard the consensus regarding black wedding suits, but i digress) 3 piece suit with little luck.  

 

A little about my clothing habits first - i dont dress up normally.  not for my job.  not when im at home.  Im a tshirt and jeans guy.  my suiting is typically reserved for events; weddings, awards shows, cruise formal nights, job interviews (and even then, in my industry, that'd be well beyond overkill).........so basically, it would probably be worn twice a year max.  

 

That said, I'd prefer not to rent.  I actually want to look good for this.  And Im willing to put forward a decent amount of money towards a nice suit simply for the sake that I should actually have one.  As of right now, Im leaning towards a MTM option.  Namely Black lapel, or Kent Wang.  Kent's stuff looks to be a good bit higher quality as far as I can tell compared to black lapel, but few things concern me regarding going this route.

 

first and foremost - Im a novice.  Black lapel offers remakes and refunds if you arent satisfied.  Kent doesnt.  Not that Im looking to return this or anything, but Im not sure I trust measuring myself or trying to discuss changes and alterations sight unseen. especially when there are no refunds or remakes.  Should I be concerned trying to tailor a MTM suit?

 

second - I may be overthinking this.  do i really need a fully canvased suit with all the fixins' for a guy that doesnt dress up all that often?  A mens Wearhouse suit will probably last me a decade considering how often Id wear it.  Would springing an extra 300 bucks and gambling on Kent's suit actually make sense for me, despite the added quality/fabric options?  

 

What are youre opinions on the quality of black lapel?  kent seems to be highly regarded, and indochino equally disliked.  where does BL fit in this scale? 

 

Black lapel seems like its "safer"
Kent seems like he's better.

What do you guys think?

 

I think thats all.  Thanks for all your help guys, and sorry for being long winded.

post #2 of 12
Have you ever try on a 'nice' suit?
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by add911_11 View Post

Have you ever try on a 'nice' suit?

 

 

By Style forum standards, probably not.  I own a boss suit that I picked up last year, that I feel is a decent quality.  But that's about the extent of it.

post #4 of 12

If you've rejected the general forum advice about black why would you solicit further advice about sourcing and MTM? For what it's worth a black suit for a young in-shape guy is not the end of the world. The problem is that shitty black suits look infinitely shittier than any other colour and most black suits are pretty shitty.

 

You don't need any of these "fixins" (really? fixins?) and frankly no one who looks at you will care if you have them or not. Whether they have value to you and are worth sourcing is another matter.

 

Anyway, don't get the self-measured MTM option. It will turn out badly. Go to a decent-sized city with a JAB, Brooks, Ralph Lauren, Bloomingdales, Saks, Neimans and try on as many suits as you can. One of these will fit you well enough. Once you identify it you can try to find in on sale if you'd like to save some money. 

 

Of course, trying to find a three-piece suit is going to complicate this.

 

lefty 

post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by lefty View Post

If you've rejected the general forum advice about black why would you solicit further advice about sourcing and MTM? For what it's worth a black suit for a young in-shape guy is not the end of the world. The problem is that shitty black suits look infinitely shittier than any other colour and most black suits are pretty shitty.

 

You don't need any of these "fixins" (really? fixins?) and frankly no one who looks at you will care if you have them or not. Whether they have value to you and are worth sourcing is another matter.

 

Anyway, don't get the self-measured MTM option. It will turn out badly. Go to a decent-sized city with a JAB, Brooks, Ralph Lauren, Bloomingdales, Saks, Neimans and try on as many suits as you can. One of these will fit you well enough. Once you identify it you can try to find in on sale if you'd like to save some money. 

 

Of course, trying to find a three-piece suit is going to complicate this.

 

lefty 

 

 

because im locked into black for a variety of reasons, so its moot.  I'd imagine you guys would have some input regarding fit, fabrics, and construction, so thats why im here, asking about things I can actually make decisions upon.

 

yes, fixins'.  or extras.  or details.  whatever you prefer.  I wasnt looking to go to MTM in order to get every detail i may want, even though thats a nice byproduct.  But in Kent's case, for 865 bucks, you get a fully canvassed, custom suit to my every specification.  that sounds pretty damn reasonable when everything else ive found has been pretty trashy IMO and STILL about 600.

 

Im still hunting locally for a 3 piece in a brick and mortar.  but the options are incredibly limited unfortunately.  The MTM is the backup plan, but it's looking more and more to like it might have to be the plan.

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by lefty View Post

If you've rejected the general forum advice about black why would you solicit further advice about sourcing and MTM? For what it's worth a black suit for a young in-shape guy is not the end of the world. The problem is that shitty black suits look infinitely shittier than any other colour and most black suits are pretty shitty.

 

You don't need any of these "fixins" (really? fixins?) and frankly no one who looks at you will care if you have them or not. Whether they have value to you and are worth sourcing is another matter.

 

Anyway, don't get the self-measured MTM option. It will turn out badly. Go to a decent-sized city with a JAB, Brooks, Ralph Lauren, Bloomingdales, Saks, Neimans and try on as many suits as you can. One of these will fit you well enough. Once you identify it you can try to find in on sale if you'd like to save some money. 

 

Of course, trying to find a three-piece suit is going to complicate this.

 

lefty 

I agree that, for a beginner, mail-order MTM is a bad idea. If you really want MTM, which you might need in order to get a 3-piece, you could probably get that at one of the better stores listed above.

 

Also, since you haven't done anything yet, why not consider going charcoal instead of black? Since you want to wear this to pretty much every event requiring a suit for the next 10 years, going with something versatile is a good idea.

post #7 of 12

First off, I agree with the comments above about the black suit. You really should consider something else.

 

However, I do have a few thoughts on the Kent Wang option. Where do you live? I ask because Kent is coming to New York, and you can have someone else do the measurements and maximize the chances that it gets done properly. Also, his method is better for someone like you that the standard online MTM program. He sends you a suit in your size, and you send it back with things that you want done differently, whether you want some styling done differently or an inch added or subtracted in a specific place. I also think that you can simply send fit pics and ask him to change measurements where he sees fit.

 

Either way, I would suggest posting in his affiliate thread to seek guidance on the process and potentially for help finding a good fabric.

post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 

Im not completely enamored by the black, but it seems to make the most sense for me.

 

first off, the colors are black and pink.  now these arent set in stone YET, but -

 

second, and probably most importantly, ill need to match, or at least coordinate with my groomsmen.  im not going to saddle them with the cost of buying a suit, and im not going to buy their suits.  theyre more than likely going to rent, and the simplest to match is black.  the greys/charcoals/navy's are pretty limited at the rental places in my experience.  There was a really nice light charcoal blue at black lapel, but coordinating with the groomsmen would be a nightmare. but im willing to entertain suggestions.

 

third, i already own a charcoal suit, and was using this as an opportunity to expand my wardrobe. 

 

There seems to be a consensus against the MTM building.  If kent is able to accurately assess photos, and make recommendations accordingly after the trial suit, then id be more comfortable with that option. The other option I had was the nordstrom MTO program that goes through joseph abboud.  but that would be higher priced than kent, and, as far as i can tell, the quality wouldnt be as high, but the measurements would be accurate at least.  

post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by lefty View Post

If you've rejected the general forum advice about black why would you solicit further advice about sourcing and MTM? For what it's worth a black suit for a young in-shape guy is not the end of the world. The problem is that shitty black suits look infinitely shittier than any other colour and most black suits are pretty shitty.

You don't need any of these "fixins" (really? fixins?) and frankly no one who looks at you will care if you have them or not. Whether they have value to you and are worth sourcing is another matter.

Anyway, don't get the self-measured MTM option. It will turn out badly. Go to a decent-sized city with a JAB, Brooks, Ralph Lauren, Bloomingdales, Saks, Neimans and try on as many suits as you can. One of these will fit you well enough. Once you identify it you can try to find in on sale if you'd like to save some money. 

Of course, trying to find a three-piece suit is going to complicate this.

lefty 

+1 to all of this. It's pretty rare for a self-measure MTM suit to turn out well, especially for novice suit-buyers.

As was said above, Kent Wang will be doing a trunk show in New York where you can get measured if you are close by. But otherwise, stick with something you can try on.
post #10 of 12

Black and pink. Do you mean something like this?

 

 

If they're going to rent you should go for tuxes and do the best you can on fit. You could pick up a Benjamin tux for 500 if you want to up your game. At least you will see how it fits. And you can wear it at those award shows and formal cruise nights you attend.

 

A black rental suit is probably going to be a mess.

 

lefty 

post #11 of 12
Yeah, a rental suit seems like a really poor idea.

Your groomsmen don't own any suit? You could just ask them to wear a solid dark suit (charcoal, navy). Most people have one of those...
post #12 of 12
Also, this discussion should probably move to the consolidated wedding thread:

http://www.styleforum.net/t/329568/official-wedding-attire-question-answer-picture-thread/15
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