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post #316 of 390
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post
When I was taking business at mcgill and stuck doing team projects, I was completely shocked by how bad everyones' written english was. On one occasion, I essentially had to re-write a 10 page paper because all the parts that other people had written were a complete mess. This is a school that theoretically only allows kids with good grades to gain admission. It's proof of how low standards have fallen.

Now, I didn't say that, and it isn't true. As someone who has been teaching college writing for nearly a decade, I can tell you why so many papers are so bad: they aren't even begun until about 10:00 the night before. When we have students go through the writing process under close supervision, the end product tends to be so much better that one might think a different person has written it. I'm not saying most are naturally gifted writers (far from it), but performance on (to them) random and meaningless class assignments is not a good indicator of their actual potential.

The ESL students I teach and have taught, on the other hand, put a lot more effort into it because they are painfully aware of their handicap. (I currently teach English to college-bound students from all over the world. I also studied in Germany for a time, so I know what it's like.)

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Instead of looking at grades, universities should have entrance exams.

1. See my answer above.

2. Procedures vary, but generally grades are only a small(ish) factor in entrance decisions, particulary for grad school.

3. They do. They're called the ACT and the SAT. For grad school, of course, there are the GRE/GMAT/LSAT/etc. Some departments and programs require writing samples. Requiring more is very, very expensive, and cash-strapped institutions are loathe to spend more on entrance firehoops that will ultimately yield little in terms of predicting performance. Students take exams and writing samples seriously; they generally don't take individual class assignments very seriously.
post #317 of 390
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Originally Posted by Alter View Post
Most of us take our professional appearance very seriously. I think everyone is just enjoying making a mockery of you.

I feel that the joke is on those who choose to laugh at the expense of others; because they will never be professionals in the true sense. It’s up to you if you want to be counted among them.
post #318 of 390
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
Now, I didn't say that, and it isn't true. As someone who has been teaching college writing for nearly a decade, I can tell you why so many papers are so bad: they aren't even begun until about 10:00 the night before. When we have students go through the writing process under close supervision, the end product tends to be so much better that one might think a different person has written it. I'm not saying most are naturally gifted writers (far from it), but performance on (to them) random and meaningless class assignments is not a good indicator of their actual potential.

The ESL students I teach and have taught, on the other hand, put a lot more effort into it because they are painfully aware of their handicap. (I currently teach English to college-bound students from all over the world. I also studied in Germany for a time, so I know what it's like.)



1. See my answer above.

2. Procedures vary, but generally grades are only a small(ish) factor in entrance decisions, particulary for grad school.

3. They do. They're called the ACT and the SAT. For grad school, of course, there are the GRE/GMAT/LSAT/etc. Some departments and programs require writing samples. Requiring more is very, very expensive, and cash-strapped institutions are loathe to spend more on entrance firehoops that will ultimately yield little in terms of predicting performance. Students take exams and writing samples seriously; they generally don't take individual class assignments very seriously.

Stop clouding the issue with facts!
post #319 of 390
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
But above all, CBD should not have any traces of the uniforms of a CRIMINAL, GENOCIDAL REGIME!

This is such good advice, that I am stealing it for my new signature
post #320 of 390
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Originally Posted by Con Biz Dresser View Post
Could you guys please just drop it already? This thread has very little to do with conservative business dress and more to do with making a mockery out of those who take their professional appearance seriously.
This is a very hurtful statement. As the originator of this thread, I take the gravest possible exception to this intentionally hurtful comment. This thread was begun with the best of intentions, and carried out in a spirit of openness and camaraderie. I understand that you like marble shoulders, but other than that I can't imagine what substantive differences you could have with the advice proffered in this thread. Far from making a mockery of those who take their professional appearance seriously, this thread is a celebration of them, and a discussion of their fine and noble habits.

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If anything maybe you one of the moderators could change the title to: Business Conservative Dress instead, if so many here really find it necessary to continue this discussion. That title is much more accurate and less objectionable from my perspective.
I cannot begin to tell you how interested I would be to read your explication of the difference.
post #321 of 390
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Originally Posted by Bradford View Post
This is such good advice, that I am stealing it for my new signature

I'm glad we're on the same page. But still, I'm shocked at how many Nazi symps slithered up from the floorboards in the course of this thread. It's sort of creepy. I get the feeling that some of these people not only enjoy David Irving books, but actually post lauditory reviews of them on Amazon.
post #322 of 390
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
But still, I'm shocked at how many Nazi symps slithered up from the floorboards in the course of this thread. It's sort of creepy.

Calm down Manton. Who are you calling a Nazi symp?
post #323 of 390
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Originally Posted by Sator View Post
Calm down Manton. Who are you calling a Nazi symp?

I am, as ever, as calm as a caffeinated Chihuahua. And the Nazi symps know who they are.
post #324 of 390
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Originally Posted by GQgeek View Post
When I was taking business at mcgill and stuck doing team projects, I was completely shocked by how bad everyones' written english was. On one occasion, I essentially had to re-write a 10 page paper because all the parts that other people had written were a complete mess. This is a school that theoretically only allows kids with good grades to gain admission. It's proof of how low standards have fallen.

Instead of looking at grades, universities should have entrance exams.
"Teamwork" is reprehensible because of the forced camaraderie and the fact that most of the people involved are petulant examples of intellectual stagnation.
post #325 of 390
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
Requiring more is very, very expensive, and cash-strapped institutions are loathe to spend more on entrance firehoops that will ultimately yield little in terms of predicting performance.

Are loath to, surely? Or loth, if you must. Just keeping the pedantry flag flying.
post #326 of 390
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Originally Posted by Con Biz Dresser View Post
If anything maybe you one of the moderators could change the title to: Business Conservative Dress instead, if so many here really find it necessary to continue this discussion. That title is much more accurate and less objectionable from my perspective.

I am considering making a poll. Many of the posters on this board seem to enjoy the practice of direct democracy.
post #327 of 390
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
I am considering making a poll. Many of the posters on this board seem to enjoy the practice of direct democracy.

Lets go all the way! Shall we also bring back ostracism?





post #328 of 390
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I am considering making a poll. Many of the posters on this board seem to enjoy the practice of direct democracy.

LA Guy, I would very much like to see that poll and would look forward to making my argument in a civil manner.
post #329 of 390
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Originally Posted by Manton
But above all, CBD should not have any traces of the uniforms of a CRIMINAL, GENOCIDAL REGIME!


Could we call a Criminal, Genocidal Regime, to one that invades a country for the profit of an elite but using a pretext as "freedom" or something similar , kills 40 people per each own man down and tortures and humiliates the prisoners in concentration camps ?
post #330 of 390
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Could we call a Criminal, Genocidal Regime, to one that invades a country for the profit of an elite but using a pretext as "freedom" or something similar , kills 40 people per each own man down and tortures and humiliates the prisoners in concentration camps ?

Is it aimed at anyone there ??
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