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post #286 of 390
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And for those wanting to take it to even more monstrous extremes:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Offiziersrock-Weh...QQcmdZViewItem

In case you don't read German, it is an authentic Waffen SS German Wehrmacht uniform (it is called a frock in German interestingly enough). The seller explains that officers were given a sum of money which they used to commision the uniform from their local tailor, rather than having them issued to them. As result they varied in quality a fair bit.

Seems to fit all of Manton's dictates, doesn't it?

Ich habe gedacht, dass solche Kleider verboten seien.
post #287 of 390
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It seems the SS lightning bolts have been removed, interestingly enough. Whether this was because of post-War German law or because of allied de-Nazification would be interesting

The seller states it is to comply with eBay rules about selling items with certain symbols.
post #288 of 390
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Ich habe gedacht, dass solche Kleider verboten seien.

Heute ja, aber damals nicht...
post #289 of 390
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The seller states it is to comply with eBay rules about selling items with certain symbols.

I guess it was a cherished family heirloom....
post #290 of 390
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I guess it was a cherished family heirloom....
I doubt it - it looks fake to me.
post #291 of 390
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Heute ja, aber damals nicht...

That's what I mean: I thought it was illegal to sell those in modern Germany, so how is he/she getting away with it?
post #292 of 390
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That's what I mean: I thought it was illegal to sell those in modern Germany, so how is he/she getting away with it?
The only things that are illegal are nazi symbols. Old uniforms and what you may call militaria are legal. Typically, Hermann Historica, a Munich auction house which specialises in arms, armour, medals and orders, have password-restricted catalogues for the periods that feature swastikas, SS runes etc.: http://www.hermann-historica.com/
post #293 of 390
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That's what I mean: I thought it was illegal to sell those in modern Germany, so how is he/she getting away with it?
Germany has extremely strict laws prohibiting such things and I imagine you are quite correct and even the selling of such artifacts is likely to be illegal. Perhaps the removal of the SS sign, Hackenkreuz etc are calculated to by pass any such legislature?
post #294 of 390
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Germany has extremely strict laws prohibiting such things and I imagine you are quite correct and even the selling of such artifacts is likely to be illegal. Perhaps, the fact that the removal of the SS sign, Hackenkreuz etc are calculated to by pass any such legislature?
Yes, that's the point. You can't sell nazi symbols at public sales in Germany. This is how you circumvent it:
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The requested catalog was prepared exclusively for the clients of Hermann Historica as well as interested public collections and museums. Access is only possible within the terms of 86, 86a of the German Criminal Code. In compliance with these regulations, you must enter your assigned access data.
post #295 of 390
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Can I please ask you f*cking Nazi apologists to STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD!
post #296 of 390
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I doubt it - it looks fake to me.

Probably true. Doesn't look like it was worn daily in a PoW camp between 1945 and 1947.
post #297 of 390
I wonder if speaking of Nazi uniforms on a thread about conservative business dress is gentlemanly. Perhaps Kasper knows.
post #298 of 390
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Can I please ask you f*cking Nazi apologists to STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD!

You may ask away.
post #299 of 390
Those uniform designs were used in Germany before Hitler took power, they have become the image of the nazi regime after all those films and documentaries we have seen with german soldiers wearing them, but originally this uniform was not "nazi"

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That's what I mean: I thought it was illegal to sell those in modern Germany, so how is he/she getting away with it?
post #300 of 390
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Those uniform designs were used in Germany before Hitler took power, they have become the image of the nazi regime after all those films and documentaries we have seen with german soldiers wearing them, but originally this uniform was not "nazi"
Very true. The high "Prussian" military collar of the uniform, for example, goes back a long way before the Third Empire. Prussian collars like that were even found in civilian fashions throughout Europe, such as on frock coats. On a more serious note, Manton (who has invited much frivolous and delightfully ungentlemanly discussion by means of his own example) has given us a most entertaining sermon about how keeping it simple and conservative is something absolutely fundamental to good dressing. Beau Brummell himself held steadfast to the principle that one must do nothing to attract attention to oneself - absolutely nothing whatsoever. Understatement and perfection of fit were the ideals of the gentleman of the New Age, who had cast away his gaudy, fine embroidered silk habit. After the passing of the Beau, there was a time when extravagantly embroidered silk waistcoats came back into fashion - the temptation to relapse into the old gaudiness was too great. In this picture from 1797, a couple in the old style run into a couple dress in the new style (English country style in the manner of Beau Brummell, emphasising simplicity and fit). We too need occasional reminders of the old lessons taught to us by the Beau, especially when we start considering them to be too passé to take seriously.
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