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post #1 of 18
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Last night, in a pathetic attempt to organize my side of the house, I stumbled on my roommate's tape of national lampoon's Van Wilder. Out of boredom, and admittedly, a little infatuation with Tara Reid, I popped it in. The movie was hardly worth the plastic raw products it consumed, but it jolted me on to a possibly horrifying discovery. This discovery, for me no lesser than that of Columbus, revolved around one of the staples of my casual wardrobe - Lacoste. To my dismay, the movie pictured virtually every, for a lack of a better word, tight-ass frat boy, draped in LACOSTE. Shirts, khakis, polo's and sweaters, they were all there, laughing in their reactionist, rigid embodiments of the frat culture. Franticly uprooting all my dressers and piles of clothes I went on a search of dull boring conservatism in my closet. Discovering that my drawers were quite infested with little green alligator logos I riddled my self: Do I really look like the frats in the film? By God I hope not. Nevertheless, suddenly I'm faced with a wardrobe-shaping dilemma: to continue my frequent drop-ins on the cute, slender, yet voluptuous Lacoste Saleswoman in nearby Sherway Gardens, or to re-map my wardrobe. Any advice on the Lacoste image, quality and style is appreciated. jS.
post #2 of 18
I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yes, Lacoste has a preppy and somewhat conservative image, and yes, a lot of college kids, including *GASP* frat boys wear them, but if you like the clothes, why arbitrarily stop wearing them? It's a classic label and there's no way people will assume that you're some kind of idiot for wearing it. What's with the hangup over frats anyway? I'm not in one but I'm curious as to why you have such an overt resentment to them that you would consider a major wardrobe realignment to avoid being percieved as being affiliated with one. As for the clothes, I'd classify Lacoste along with Polo and Brooks Brothers as a solid, classic casual/sportswear brand that's one big step above the cheesy, ubiquitous mall store stuff like Abercrombie, Hilfiger, American Eagle, etc. I think if you don't pay full retail price for them, the clothes offer good value at a reasonable price. One of my favorite casual pieces is a yellow Lacoste button-down I picked up on sale, and I've worn it regularly for over a year with barely any signs of wear. Sometimes I wish it didn't have the logo, but then again the Lacoste crocodile is one of the few logos that you can wear without looking cheap.
post #3 of 18
It all depends on how you wear them- rappers wear lacoste too (sorry to tell you), and they're far from Frat.
post #4 of 18
gqelements, I don't own Lacoste shirts; I do have a pair of Lacoste green corduroy trousers. I am also not in a frat.  That is neither here not there. I think that your friends know you for who you are and what you're about. Not about what you wear.  And if someone bases their decision on whether to chill with you or not by the close you wear/don't wear, then they aren't worthy of your or anyone's friendship for that matter. Be who you are wear what you like and the hell with all else. Please note, yes, to continue my frequent drop-ins on the cute, slender, yet voluptuous Lacoste Saleswoman in nearby Sherway Gardens [quote][quote] Parsonsdb
post #5 of 18
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It has come to my attention that I have been gravely misunderstood. I have really nothing against frats; the way one chooses to waste his life is protected in the constitution. Or at least it should according to my seventh grade teacher who, to this day preaches the wonders or the all-powerful, omnipotent and omnipresent constitution and its amendments. By God the woman stands watch in front of the Supreme Court on Christmas and Easter. Regardless of the frat issue, what bothered me was that the movie presented all it's "antagonists", read pathetic losers, literally draped in Lacoste. However after collecting my thoughts I have came to realization that any brand of clothing put together in the ensemble worn by these "antagonists", would have had similar effect. I'm sorry to run in panic to the forum, seeking a quick feel good response, and promise to contain myself in my future posts. Truly yours. jS. P.S. extending my thanks to those who reaffirmed the style of the Crock.
post #6 of 18
sherway gardens in mississauga? If that's what you're talking about I remember that place ;p Used to live in port credit heh. Now I live in quebec =/
post #7 of 18
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I think that your friends know you for who you are and what you're about. Not about what you wear. And if someone bases their decision on whether to chill with you or not by the close you wear/don't wear, then they aren't worthy of your or anyone's friendship for that matter.
this doesn't really have anything to do with the thread, but parsons, while that may be true in a perfect world, it doesn't happen in this one and it's also quite naive to think like that. People regularly make judgements about others on their appearance and these judgements factor in what they're wearing. People who dress in a certain manner tend to gravitate towards others who dress in the same way. You don't see wiggers hanging out with punks and you don't see frat boys (khakis and polos or whatever) hanging out with the nerd who's got his shirt tucked in and his pants up to his waist ;p In the adult world people can be even more discriminating and there's even less chance that different "types" of people will mix. You dress for the impression you wanna make. When it comes down to it, frat boys or college students in general wear polos and khakis cause they look decent and they're affordable clothes. Most kids at my school can't afford armani or whatever it is that I like to wear, so I'm certainly not gonna snub them for wearing khakis. However, am I gonna associate with someone who dresses like a skater, or a pothead or a punk? Definitely not. Your values are reflected in what you wear. In college you can wear whatever you want and not get in trouble. Therefore it only makes sense that you initially choose your potential friends (maybe not consciously) based on how they're dressed. Before you start talking to them or have any idea what kinda person they are, this is the only way to chose which ensures at least partial compatability. I mean, I know from the outset that I'm not gonna have much in common with a punk, or a pothead, or someoen in jeans which barely stay up ;p From my experiences, how you dress makes a huge difference. So while someone might not want to throw out the khakis and polos cause it might be considered a fray boy look, you might do so for other reasons. You have no idea the sort of shit I can pull at university simply cause i dress well and look respectable (and serious) to my professors/advisor/dean. If I don't feel like attending a class all semester, I can go up to prof and say "hey listen I'm working all semester at the same time as going to school. can i get all the assignments and test dates right now so that I can get everything done on time?" Not only does it work but the prof will often go out of his way for me in telling me what he's gonna focus on so that I'm not put at a disadvantage by not going to class. I can tell you that if I had gone in there looking like the typical student he probably would have reacted differently cause my school is pretty heavy on attending class (you actually have to sign your name at every class heh). Oh and he said "ok sure" w/o even asking to see my previous marks; he had no idea if i had the aptitude to do what i was asking to do. To him i probably jsut looked smart and serious heh. It might be a complete lie, but for some classes there's just no reason for me to go cause I can figure everything out on my own. I don't need to drive for 40minutes a day and spend money on gas if i can learn on my own and do just as well ;p I'll probably get to do independant study next term as well. I'll be bale to take like 10 classes at once, not go to any of them (unless there's any presentations or group work), do all the assignments and tests etc and graduate a whole lot sooner (which is nice cause i wasted a lot of time on biochem before switching to finance). Normally they won't let just anyone do this (some of my marks weren't stellar cause I slacked) but i've now got them convinced heh. They're probably letting me do it next term instead of taking a "prove you can get consistent marks and then we'll talk again" attitude. Again, i'm pretty sure it boils down to the image (and obviously the sweet talking skills to go with it ;p) that i'm presenting. I'm no psychologist but it seems like common sense to me. Anyway, *to nobody in particular* dress however you like but be prepared to deal with the consequences. and btw gqe.. Van wilder was a great movie ;p
post #8 of 18
[Discovering that my drawers were quite infested with little green alligator logos I riddled my self: Do I really look like the frats in the film? By God I hope not.] This was the original question. To which I responded, [I think that your friends know you for who you are and what you're about.] Maybe a bit off topic, but not naïve. If one cannot see another for who he/she is on the inside and must resort to lumping them together with the status quo of the campus population, then it's the lumpers loss.   My best friend at home is a punk, the epitome of  punk. Continuing on, my closest friend here at school is head of computer services. The phrase computer nerd won't do him justice. And me, well I'm prep, about as southern prep as one could be. Down to my seersucker suit hanging in my closet. Oh yeah, right next to my shooting jacket, I'm going skeet shooting Saturday morning with the dean of the business school.   Really though, they are my friends because I went to them and said, "hey" starting a conversation. As it turns out, we have much in common. On personal ethics, morals, sport...etc. Know something else, there are numerous people I've gone up to bars, parties, clubs, and punk rock concerts no less and done the same thing. Just because someone does dress like you   doesn't mean your gonna get along. On the same note, just because someone is different from you doesn't mean your not gonna get along. So, GQgeek try this tomorrow if you feel like making the arduous journey to campus, all 40 mins of it. Go up to some pothead, skater, or punk: smile, say hi, and start a conversation. Take you materialistic eyes and try to see through the NOFX sweatshirt, pencil protector, or polyester pants.... whatever it may be. And make the effort to try to get to know them for who they are on the inside. You just might be surprised at what you find. Parsonsdb
post #9 of 18
Parsons & GQgeek: Both of you have valid points, but what I comes down to is: in this world how you dress is extremely important, moreso than anyone will admit. Dressing well (or at the least, respectable) affords you more opportunties than if you look careless in appearance (ie: punk, geek chic, or hippie). People who you don't know will take you seriously; as in GQ's example his professors. This extends to others as well, such as store clerks, police, attractive women , ect... They say first impressions are everything, I'd say what you're wearing constitutes a big part of that first impression. So, while dressing dosn't totally determine who you are, it does constitute a large part of who people think you are. Unfortunaly some people can't see past that, it is a reality that we must live with. Like Parsons, I too have friends that are punk, prep, or just don't care about dressing. That dosn't make them any less of a person, though if I didn't know them, I probably woudn't go out of my way to meet them.
post #10 of 18
What you said CT guy is exactly why I'm not gonna begrudge someoen dressing like a frat boy heh. The average kid that doesn't go to europe, new york and wherever else all the time, probably won't have seen much besides khakis and polos (not to mention those are probably the only thing sold in local malls). When it comes down to it, it's a LOT better than how a lot of others dress. I sort of stumbled on to dressign well and for that reason I don't really expect too many others my age to dress like me. My parents never forced me in to suits (well cept for private school, but i never minded the uniforms really) or fancy clothes. Up to and including first year of college, I dressed like anyone else and probably not even as well as a lot of people (this is partly cause it was never an issue in HS cause i was always in uniform). I started to consciously upgrade my wardrobe towards the second half of first year (we're talking upgrading TO gap ;p) and I made a trip to NYC during that time (thank god). It's been all downhill from there ;p (for my bank account i mean) And lastly I have to reinforce what mike said. Dressing a certain way might not be who you are, but it's what people see. Like it or not, it's the way of the world and people can either realize this and take advantage of it, or say "screw what anyone thinks, I'm gonna be myself," and deal with how people treat them. Unless they're brilliant IT geeks, it's gonna end up hurting them (i mean your friends, parsons), cause in the end, most people, myself included (no reason to lie about it on the net heh), wouldn't try to look past their appearances. Sad? Maybe, but it's just how things are. I hear kids my age say it all the time "appearance isn't important, it's who you are inside." While that may be a nice thought, it simply isn't true; unless you're on so many drugs that you're living in a world of your own creation, of course ;p
post #11 of 18
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And lastly I have to reinforce what mike said. Dressing a certain way might not be who you are, but it's what people see.
Of course, GQgeek, you realize that the converse is also true. Vanity is not in fact a virtue in any value system or mythology that I'm aware of. A man who looks like he has spent inordinate amounts of time and money on his clothing and appearance makes a lot of people think: dandy, and not in a good way. Remember that old thread in which we discussed what was suitable interview attire? I think that the consensus was that the interviewee should show respect by dressing well, but that dressing too well was likely to be a detriment to a successful interview. i.e. A Kiton suit with Bulgari Cufflinks and a Hermes tie is likely to come off badly. And ask women what they think of guys who know the thread counts of their shirts, the difference between Kiton and Attolini suits. and use exfoliants and you'll find that at best, they tolerate it. In the same vein, a woman that is overly fashionable comes off as high-maintenance, and I've yet to meet the guy who says that he is looking for a high maintenance woman.
post #12 of 18
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Of course, GQgeek, you realize that the converse is also true.  Vanity is not in fact a virtue in any value system or mythology that I'm aware of.  A man who looks like he has spent inordinate amounts of time and money on his clothing and appearance makes a lot of people think: dandy, and not in a good way
Heh this is getting away from the point i was trying to make, but I feel I need to clarify something. Let me just state that i don't indulge myself in "fashion" per say. Fashion can be a bit over the top for me and I'm a pretty conservative guy. I mean my favorite designer is armani. Why? Cause the clothes are always pretty timeless and they look good on someone my age. They've got nice cuts that don't go out of style (at least not quickly). They employ a lot of blues, greys and black; all safe colors. They've usually got pretty cool fabrics too, especially for their pants. They don't make it look like you're trying too hard and they don't make you look like a fashion victim. What it really comes down to  is that I just like clothes that look good on me, fit properly, feel nice, and are different from the mass-produced stuff you find in every chain on the continent. Am I tad vain? Yes, probably just a bit, but I don't come across as if i'm overly obsessed with my looks. I don't really spend any time in front of the mirror and I don't put anything in my hair, I just run my fingers through it while it's still wet (I do use a bunch of kielh's stuff but nobody knows that). I mean, I like to have friends too, and if i took it to the extreme you're kinda implying, I probably wouldn't have all that many ;p I'm a bit of a dandy at heart (the cashmere brioni suit thing was obviously an example of that and yes you guys were probably right =/), but in general, I keep my dandyish tendencies in check so that i don't alienate myself from the other kids at school ;p Plus you don't have to wear expensive clothes to come across as fussy. I can remember from my first year in res what would happen on saturday nights. Guys would shower in the afternoon and then spend an inordinate amount of time getting ready. A lot of them would gel their hair and not leave the mirror until every last hair was perfectly positioned heh. Then they'd spray themselves with cologne (and i'm talking like supersoaker 500 spray here ;p), get dressed, ask each other how they looked and then FINALLY go out. It was the perfect example of guys trying too hard. "Vanity, definitely my favorite sin*laughs*" (Al Pacino, Devil's Advocat) With that, I'd have to agree. Plus, you really can't argue with Al ;p
post #13 of 18
*Sorry for the belated post, but it's here.   Hey fellas, This is the story of how/why my social morals are what they are. I was born to a Marines Corps officer and my mother, a former debutant and member of the Junior League.  This was my life and how I was reared from birth to the beginning of 6th grade. There were always parties and entertaining"”social events the majority of kids aren't exposed to outside that circle. Other than that my life was two other things, soccer and school in that order. I struggled with school more than anyone I've known. I have ADD, so regular schoolwork was compounded by an unnatural amount of frustration. To this day, I can still vividly remember 3rd grade, studying for spelling tests and knowing the words. Having them memorized, without fail"”Thursday night I knew every word on the list. Then boom, Friday morning in class, blank, I couldn't spell for shit. I remember thinking to my self, why study...... I do........ then in class I can't get it right.  That feeling crippled my ability to perform in school. It is a tenacious pain that I would never wish on anyone. All that have felt this know what I mean, others that haven't  be glad. My next-door neighbor was the varsity goalkeeper at the high school down the street. I looked up to him"”he was my big brother. Consequently I spent my afternoons in the back yard running, jumping, and diving. Soccer was THE thing I was good at. I justified these afternoons with, I can play soccer, and fail the spelling tests, or I can study and fail the tests, I'm gonna play soccer.  This was elementary school. In middle school, a new city, no more Garden Parties or Junior League meeting at the house.   Middle school was very different from anything I had experienced before, culture shock. I don't think there is anything that could prep me for that. This is also where I met two of the three close friends I have.  The punk rocker Ben, and the hippy Dave. We were close then and still close now. I remember registering for tryouts;(8th grade) I was seen as an intruder. (any one who has or has kids that play youth sport at the highest level can verify that it's more political than most presidential campaigns.) I was wearing my only GK trousers, and training top. My gloves were beat to shit all the fingers had holes. I remember being scared, nervous, and every other emotion you can think of. When the session started, that was it. I out trained the other 6 goalkeepers vying for the 3 spots.  I stopped shots, caught crosses; I was at the helm of what I loved and what I wanted. From that point forward I was the top goalkeeper. Well, back at school, throughout middle and high school I was in remedial classes,. I worked a little at school but nothing that it needed to be.   Then junior year, the big year for college coaches to recruit I was stellar at every tournament I played in, Raleigh Shootout, Continental Alliance, and TBSB. I remember looking at the sideline the first game of the shootout, and seeing coaches from everywhere. UVA, Duke, UA-Birmingham. "Oh shit." I thought to my self, this is all me.  And it was, I played brilliantly. From that there, I was college bound goalkeeper that was my destiny. Or so I thought. The NCAA Clearinghouse had some very very different thoughts on the matter. My highest SAT score was 860 my cumulative GPA was 2.1. With these grades I did not qualify for D1 athletics, no way around it the best I could do was D2, if and only if I passed geometry in summer school, between my junior and senior year. I passed, C- well, hope was broken, but there was still light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah D2 ain't so bad. Senior year, I meet a female; she's the best thing to happen to me. Her focus and her family's focus was school. That had always been echoed from my uncle"”I turned a deaf ear to it. She changed me; I felt no shame in asking her to help me, alg 2, chemistry, term papers it did not matter. In the end, I signed with a D2 school., That summer, 2001 I played with the best team in the nation, out of Raleigh, my home. We lost in the national championship 8 days before we all left for preseason. That was a heart breaker. But that summer was the best summer of my life. What I loved all day every day with the best of the best. National team coaches trained us collegiate coaches trained us. It was great. Well, college I got there and had my shit together. School then soccer.  As it turned out soccer was a joke, after the first session, the first day of preseason I knew this was not what I wanted, it hurt me to play, the thing I had loved forever was no longer fun, or loving in return.  5 weeks later, I quit. That left me with what else but school. So I decided to bust my ass and work at school like I use to work as soccer. And that is what I did. I grew into my schoolwork. I would read, review, re-copy notes. I worked/it worked. It's amazing what maturity and discipline will do for you. This was a new discover for me. School isn't so bad. With this came the freedom from my self-incarceration"”my fear of hurt/rage that I can still close my eyes and feel at any time. That is my motivation to succeed; to work till there is no doubt that I know the material fully. Currently at school, I am the president of student senate finance committee and have my hands in a hefty amount of campus activity. I have a 3.6 GPA and I could not be happier. Now I concentrate my time in reading and writing. I do anticipate the day when I will be able to write papers and abstract without having to refer to the dictionary or thesaurus. I still have ADD and I take Ritalin daily. My ADD has toned down, that's come with experience. I occasionally tap and fidget, on the weekends when I don't take my pill, but I am able to control it.   This for me just confirms what I have always been told, and what I believe, that is everything works out for the best.  There is nothing that can restrain one from learning or the thirst of knowledge. Furthermore, it is why I refuse to judge one by there appearance. Yes, it's sad that many do, but I know from experience...if you walked in my shoes through elementary and middle school you wouldn't either. I apologize if you feel this is too much, but it is what it is. I don't have any reason to withold my thoughts. Have a good one fellas. Parsonsdb
post #14 of 18
Very inspiring Parsons; thanks.
post #15 of 18
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You have no idea the sort of shit I can pull at university simply cause i dress well and look respectable (and serious) to my professors/advisor/dean.
GQgeek: What is your usual classroom attire? Do you take it as far a suits, or just some nice slacks and button-down? On some days I'll wear a blazer with a tee or button down and well-worn jeans; people will ask "why are you dressed up?". I can't stand this question because how can a wearing ripped jeans in any circumstance be considered "dressed up"?
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