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post #601 of 1525
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It you want 6 identical suits, that means you'll have to pay full retail. Under $300, including tailoring, options are not great.
post #602 of 1525
Tell your groomsmen they need to wear a navy suit for your wedding. If they have one, they'll say ok. If they don't, tell them it's important to your fiancée that they have one.
post #603 of 1525
Having everyone in a navy suit, white shirt, black shoes, and a wedding tie (can mix those up so it doesn't look like a uniform) is a great look. But yeah, you're not getting all of that for $300.
post #604 of 1525
Have your groomsmen rent formalwear. It's an expectation of being in a wedding party. Otherwise it is not fair and equitable...some guys will be able to use their own suits, some guys will have to buy one...some guys will get further use out of the suit, some will get none. This whole anti-rental nonsense has to stop. Everyone will wind up spending twice as much for half the cohesion.
post #605 of 1525
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Originally Posted by MrDaniels View Post

Have your groomsmen rent formalwear. It's an expectation of being in a wedding party. Otherwise it is not fair and equitable...some guys will be able to use their own suits, some guys will have to buy one...some guys will get further use out of the suit, some will get none. This whole anti-rental nonsense has to stop. Everyone will wind up spending twice as much for half the cohesion.

Is it fair and equitable to force some guys to pay $200 for a horrific and ill-fitting outfit when they'd be very happy to wear something they already own for free that looks and feels much better? Why Harrison Bergeron-ize the wedding party?

Rentals just look terrible on everyone. It's inevitable. There's no way around it. They don't fit well. They're generally terrible quality. And they're not cheap, they're expensive.

The only cohesion that should matter is having everyone at roughly the same level of formality and tone. If everyone is in dark suits and white shirts with wedding ties, you've got plenty of cohesion. You don't need everyone to look identical. Leave that to the wait staff.
post #606 of 1525
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Is it fair and equitable to force some guys to pay $200 for a horrific and ill-fitting outfit when they'd be very happy to wear something they already own for free that looks and feels much better? Why Harrison Bergeron-ize the wedding party?

Rentals just look terrible on everyone. It's inevitable. There's no way around it. They don't fit well. They're generally terrible quality. And they're not cheap, they're expensive.

The only cohesion that should matter is having everyone at roughly the same level of formality and tone. If everyone is in dark suits and white shirts with wedding ties, you've got plenty of cohesion. You don't need everyone to look identical. Leave that to the wait staff.

+1. I really don't understand this "Oh the humanity, some people will get to wear their own suits" nonsense. Rentals can't really be altered so fit will be worse and they force everyone to shell out $200 for something they are guaranteed to only be able to use for one night. I guess forcing everyone to waste money whether they have to or not could be seen as "equitable" in some way though...
post #607 of 1525
We keep putting Style Forum standards on wedding wear. This is not a job interview or a college kid buying his first suit. There are better-quality rental places out there that actually have high-quality garments and good tailoring. And guess what? It's OK for the rental suits to look "just fine" as opposed to Style Forum Approved. I just spent some time watching closing arguments on the Zimmerman Trial....look at those high-powered attorneys wearing ill-fitting suits and crappy button-down collars with formal suits while on national television. And we are going to worry that rented formalwear is not going to be "perfect?" And that is making an assumption that these guys are going to get nice suits...are you kidding? A guy is going to wind up going to K&G (otherwise known as the Mens Wearhouse Surplus Store) and getting the cheapest suit possible...and what kind of tailoring do you think he'll get?

If the groom and the members of his wedding party had impossibly high standards of dress they would not come here looking for basic advice. And then watch them be forced to buy a new suit and just wind up buttoning the bottom button on the coat or some other rookie mistake anyway. I really think it is a disservice to put these standards on a guy who wanders in here looking for basic advice. Not to mention that the bride and her mother are more often than not going to expect matching outfits because that is the way pretty much everyone does it.

I put the word "groomsmen" into Google Image Search and got these on the front page. None of them are horrifying. I assure you...and not all would match my personal taste (like the brown and green jobbers). But don't tell me these are any better or worse than the fits of the average mid-level manager one would see walking to a meeting Downtown:






post #608 of 1525
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Is photo 1 from the movie Attack of the Zombie Car Salesmen?
post #609 of 1525
All but the next to last one are, in fact, horrifying.

Regardless, this is a forum of clothing enthusiasts. As you said, the vast majority of people dress exceptionally poorly. No one here is trying to emulate that. If you are, why would you even bother asking for advice? People give advice to help you dress *better* than the average, not *to* the average, or worse.

I'll echo that rentals are a bad idea, if for no other reason than they will cost you $200 and look terrible. You could go buy to Zara or H&M for that, and while it would probably look close to as bad, at least it would be yours so you could alter it.
post #610 of 1525
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The only ones that are really terrible are the first one and the last one. The second pic is veering close to terrible. The third one, the dude in the center is going to have to go to a bespoke tailor to have any hope of a decent fitting jacket due to really low right shoulder. So, hard to hold that against a rental. But still, the guys look like they should be waiters to me, as it's not one of the closely proscribed formal or semi-formal outfits, and yet they all match. The other one is not bad, even though there's no waist covering. The question is, do you think that this would be ruined if it were instead half of them in the same rentals and half in their own dinner suits? To me that would make it better. You're saying that would ruin it because cohesion.

Edit: I changed me mind, the second one I'm going to have to declare as terrible after looking more closely at the shirt collars and neckwear.
post #611 of 1525
That white tie picture above is awful. How did everyone manage to get a vest that is too long? You would think by chance someone would end up with a proper-length waistcoat.
post #612 of 1525
And yet to the eyes of 99.5% of the guests at the wedding, they have more than met all expectations.
post #613 of 1525
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Originally Posted by MrDaniels View Post

And yet to the eyes of 99.5% of the guests at the wedding, they have more than met all expectations.

If the point is to "meet expectations" then there's really no point of discussing it past "don't show up naked". There are really no "rules" about wedding attire anymore. Especially as couples get married at later ages, guests are willing to allow the bride and groom to break tradition in whatever way they desire on their special day. It's very difficult these days for the outfits of the wedding party to actually offend anyone.

Most couples don't just think, "oh, we need to be wearing some clothes...well let's see what might get the job done." My impression is that most couples, at least most who might visit this thread, care about what they are wearing and want to project some level of respect for the importance of the occasion as well as elegance and taste. They would also like not to be ashamed of the pictures in twenty years.

The first and last pictures do not satisfy these goals IMHO. The second and third, maybe they're fine, but they project people who are wearing "fancy dress" and are uncomfortable in it. The other one looks fine, although, as I said before, it would look at least as good if some of the men were wearing their own tuxedos.
post #614 of 1525
Again, if all you want to do is dress as badly as everyone else, you're on the wrong forum.

That's like going to a sports car enthusiast forum and saying "Why bother? My Corolla still gets me to work every day." So what? That's not the point.

Edit: As usual, Unbel says it better, and more tactfully, than I did.
post #615 of 1525
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

That white tie picture above is awful. How did everyone manage to get a vest that is too long? You would think by chance someone would end up with a proper-length waistcoat.
Unfortunately even most bespoke modern pieces are like that. The reason? The evening tailcoat is still cut in the same way, natural waistpoint, but the trousers are cut lower, probably high for today RTW standards, but stil lower then the natural waistline (under the ribcage, most often above the navel).
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