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post #526 of 1582
More of an etiquette question really, but I couldn't imagine telling my friends they had to buy new shoes for my wedding. But you know your friends better than we do.
post #527 of 1582
I sometimes wonder whether we are encouraging a "groomzilla" trend with the prescriptive advice given which though correct may not always be diplomatic or may be out of context.
post #528 of 1582
The problem is that (especially around here) people are applying the standards of executive business dress to a wedding. They are apples and oranges. Suddenly it's become an abject horror to rent formalwear and have all the groomsmen match. Guess what? THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS AT MOST WEDDINGS!!! So instead of having all of the men easily get a pre-selected outfit we start trying to force a bunch of non-matching suits to try and look cohesive...and that is where we get into such things as trying to force guys to invest in new shoes. If every guy is wearing the same outfit, then it is fair and equitable...so your friend the engineer does not have to go out and purchase a grey suit, while your other friend the stockbroker already has three grey suits and six pairs of dress shoes to choose from.

What has been happening with weddings has really floored me. So much etiquette goes out the window. A guy will wear a two-piece business suit for his ultra-formal cathedral wedding instead of the required formalwear because he "doesn't want to wear a rental." Etiquette is there for a reason, gentlemen.
post #529 of 1582
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Originally Posted by MrDaniels View Post

The problem is that (especially around here) people are applying the standards of executive business dress to a wedding. They are apples and oranges. Suddenly it's become an abject horror to rent formalwear and have all the groomsmen match. Guess what? THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS AT MOST WEDDINGS!!! So instead of having all of the men easily get a pre-selected outfit we start trying to force a bunch of non-matching suits to try and look cohesive...and that is where we get into such things as trying to force guys to invest in new shoes. If every guy is wearing the same outfit, then it is fair and equitable...so your friend the engineer does not have to go out and purchase a grey suit, while your other friend the stockbroker already has three grey suits and six pairs of dress shoes to choose from.

What has been happening with weddings has really floored me. So much etiquette goes out the window. A guy will wear a two-piece business suit for his ultra-formal cathedral wedding instead of the required formalwear because he "doesn't want to wear a rental." Etiquette is there for a reason, gentlemen.

Frankly, most rentals are not of the best quality and do not fit particularly well and on one of the most important days of one's life, one wants to look one's best. The idea that a wedding party should match is something we get from the rental industry and has no justification in the history of classic mens' clothing. These things have nothing to do with executive business dress and I don't think much of the advice around here is based on that either. If a wedding actually calls for a particular type of formalwear that one does not actually own, then I'd agree that renting is a lesser evil than being dressed incorrectly, but outside of the wedding party the odds of needing anything more than a suit are pretty minimal, and if you're the one getting married, you set the dress code. The idea that wearing a suit to a wedding in a church or cathedral is somehow improper is something tough to take seriously, at least in most parts of the United States, though I allow this may be different in other parts of the world. A suit IS ultra-formal to most people. I personally struggle to find 6 nights a year to wear a tuxedo and I live in a major U.S. city. As for a morning coat, I wore a rental once and it was not the end of the world, though I'd be surprised if I wore another anytime soon. I'd love to see traditional daytime and evening formalwear play a larger part in our daily lives as much as anyone, but in many parts of the world the idea that formalwear is required and a suit is improper is (sadly) not justifiable.
post #530 of 1582
From what I can see, a wedding photo with six guys in matching mediocre formalwear looks better than six guys with mismatched, cheap suits.

There actually are good rental places that will take good care of you and give you style and fit (hint: NOT Men's Wearhouse...)
post #531 of 1582
Sure. If we're comparing crappy cheap mismatched suits to rented formal attire, I can see where you're coming from (though there's no reason one couldn't incorporate subtle variations that stay within the rules, e.g. shawl vs. peak lapel if this was an evening reception, etc.). If most of the wedding party already owns decent suits, then I think we're having a different discussion. It probably depends on one's location and social circles whether this is the case.
post #532 of 1582

HI all

Thank you for this forum it helped a lot in our clothes planning for our wedding.

We are getting married in couple of months in Greece and I got the dress (long bit off white) but we are very very confused with the suits selection. That's why we need your advice to make some decision. 

We were looking for suits and what came down to is:

 

1) Canali suit for 810eur (1060 USD) 
 

and i know you wont like this but pls give it a look

2) Massimo Duti "MTM" with Loro Piana Super 160s (or super 130s) fabric.

MTM is not same service as i think is in other hi-end stores as they told me we will try existing suit and then make some alternations to the measurements. Save the measurements and then send them to Spain and have it back in 5 weeks. They have all Loro Piana gamma from super 110 to super 160

The suit costs around 500eur (650USD)

 

I never thought that Massimo Dutti will match Canali but i was very very surprised when i saw the materials they are using for this service 

 

Moreover i am not sure if Canali and Massimo Dutti are at least half canvased

 

They are both black suits

 

 

Thank you very much guys

 

Barbara 

post #533 of 1582
Black is good for a nighttime wedding, not good for a daytime one.
post #534 of 1582
For whatever reason a lot of people in southern Italy get married in black wedding attire, often versions of a Prince Albert coat with matching trousers and waistcoat, and it may be similar in Greece. I would opt for the darkest , almost black grey, rather then pure black
post #535 of 1582

Thank you marcodalondra and becnal for your comments. It is night time wedding. I will ask him to look for darkest grey to see how it looks. 

 

But what is your pick on the two choices?. Which one to go for. Canali or Massimo Dutti (with Loro Piana super 160 or 130)?

 

Thank you :)

post #536 of 1582

I am not sure how the suit is done (half/full/none Canvassed ) for Massimo but it looks very interesting deal for that quality of fabrics. If it is half canvassed i would say go for it (Massimo) if not, i am not very competent to tell. I will wait for other more experienced members. 

 

I am interested to see their opinion too

post #537 of 1582
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Originally Posted by Barbaracy View Post

Thank you marcodalondra
 and 
becnal
 for your comments. It is night time wedding. I will ask him to look for darkest grey to see how it looks. 


But what is your pick on the two choices?. Which one to go for. Canali or Massimo Dutti (with Loro Piana super 160 or 130)?


Thank you smile.gif

I have a suit in Loro Piana Tasmania S120 that held up well after 10 years but had to replace the trousers due to moth damage and the matching colour/fabric was now only available as s130 and is already showing signs o wear, so would not go to S160 in any case. Loro Piana fabric S130 will cost close to 500 euro for a suit lenght itself without tailoring cost, so the price looks inviting, however I would be more concerned with the styling details. Can you post pictures?
post #538 of 1582
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Originally Posted by marcodalondra View Post


I have a suit in Loro Piana Tasmania S120 that held up well after 10 years but had to replace the trousers due to moth damage and the matching colour/fabric was now only available as s130 and is already showing signs o wear, so would not go to S160 in any case. Loro Piana fabric S130 will cost close to 500 euro for a suit lenght itself without tailoring cost, so the price looks inviting, however I would be more concerned with the styling details. Can you post pictures?

I will definitely post if he decides to go for it. And then It needs 5 weeks to be ready

I will post whatever he buys.

So your pick is Massimo with Loro Piana 130?

post #539 of 1582
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I will definitely post if he decides to go for it. And then It needs 5 weeks to be ready
I will post whatever he buys.
So your pick is Massimo with Loro Piana 130?
no, was just commenting on the fabric value. I have done a quick search on google images and came across some pictures of their styling: narrow lapels, too trendy cut for what I can see. I came across the blog mensflair.com where he talks about ordering one of those MTM suit. The guy has been ridiculed here and on other forum before but you may want to ask him or directly to the shop about construction (canvassed/half canvassed/fused)
post #540 of 1582
Nighttime? Then it's the right time to wear a tuxedo! biggrin.gif
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