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post #2221 of 2509
To be precise dinner jackets should never be worn at the wedding ceremony itself. This is an American trends that due to tv shows influences is unfortunately becoming more common in Europe as well.
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Originally Posted by Veremund View Post

You're ceremony is at 1:30. Dinner jackets are not the done thing. But hey, you do you.

Any particular reason why you are against changing before dinner? I've been to many a wedding, including my own, and having an hour to sit, chill, shower and change is a very welcome break to any otherwise hectic day.
post #2222 of 2509
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Originally Posted by marcodalondra View Post

To be precise dinner jackets should never be worn at the wedding ceremony itself. This is an American trends that due to tv shows influences is unfortunately becoming more common in Europe as well.

I think that " trend" predates TV and even WWII. This pic showing black tie for evening weddings is from Esquire magazine in June 1937. Black tie for the men in a wedding party for an evening wedding in the US has been quite common for decades.

post #2223 of 2509
Would something like this be on the mark for a daytime wedding (either as the groom or a guest)?

http://us.suitsupply.com/en_US/suits/washington-blue-plain/P4709I.html?cgid=Suits&prefn1=basicDessinSuits&prefv1=Plain&prefn2=jacketType&prefv2=Peak%20Lapel

I like the color. I'd want it cut for suspenders, and I'd likely get rid of the second pocket on the right side.

Would I be better off getting something in very dark navy? Maybe even the same midnight blue as the tux?
post #2224 of 2509
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Originally Posted by primetimeseano View Post

My fiancee, on the other hand, hates the idea, since she won't be changing for the reception (her reasoning is she only gets to wear her wedding dress once, which I totally agree with).

You can't change because she won't be? Oh boy.
post #2225 of 2509
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Originally Posted by primetimeseano View Post

Would something like this be on the mark for a daytime wedding (either as the groom or a guest)?

Yes, that's fine.
post #2226 of 2509
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Originally Posted by Count de Monet View Post

I think that " trend" predates TV and even WWII. This pic showing black tie for evening weddings is from Esquire magazine in June 1937. Black tie for the men in a wedding party for an evening wedding in the US has been quite common for decades.


I am saying that the TV has influenced people in Europe that until recently would not ever wanted to wear a tax in church for example....

In any case, whilst I really like those Esquire I am a bit doubtful that there were people wearing Tuxes at ceremonies rather than receptions, actual pictures would be great.
post #2227 of 2509

G'day gents, short-time stalker, first time poster here.

 

So I'm getting married in Budapest, Hungary in July. Your thoughts on my attire would be much appreciated.

 

I'm going morning dress for the (secular) ceremony atop the Fisherman's bastion, and changing to black tie for the after six reception.

 

I got a vintage 50s/60s Moss bros black herringbone morning coat off of eBay, which will fit me nigh perfect once I lose an inch around the waist. I got a wool DB peak lapelled dove grey waistcoat from Clermontdirect, and Moss bros wool cashmere stripe trousers on eBay. Also got a Christy's black wool felt topper, again from eBay (I'm a poor student, need to be thrifty). 

 

I'm undecided on the shirt, plain white/pale blue or stripes? Contrast collar? I'm not finding a lot of RTW winchester shirts, at least not in my pricerange. Is online MTM/custom generally frowned upon here? 

Shoes, patent or can I give my plain-toed balmorals a good shine? My patent shoes are a smidgen too small, so I'd rather not spend the entire day in them...

Necktie or bow-tie? I'm partial to bow-ties, though it's not the most common neckwear for morning dress. My fiance wants shiny silvery for me and my two groomsmen. I don't, but I read in this thread about "wedding-ties" in houndstooth and such which would give a silver look?

Groomsmen will wear loungesuits, one in a nice navy, and the other probably in a bad black one (I'll be dropping subtle hints it's time for a new suit). Not much in the way of hiring options around these parts that I've found, and I'd rather they be comfortable in their own suits than ill-fitting morning dress anyway.

 

Tux-wise, I've got a dark blue, floral paisley (solid from a little distance) il Lanificio Cerruti wool, shawl collared SB DJ with black satin facings. It's double vented, would having a tailor close the vents be stupid?

Trousers are cut for suspenders, though no fishtail, black wool with silk braiding down the side, not the satin stripe. Single pleats. A black wool SB low-cut horseshoe waistcoat with self-faced shawl lapels from Charles Tyrwhitt is on the way in the mail. I know fabrics are supposed to match, but can black and black really be too far off? I've also been trying to source a double albert chain for my pocketwatch on eBay, but those things fly over my budget when the auctions are close to ending... 

I have a black barathea silk, sized selftie bow-tie, but this doesn't quite match the sheen of the facing on the DJ. Seeing as I've already bent the black-tie code with the odd DJ, should I try to source a more closely matching bow-tie?

Ideas on where I might find silk over-the-calf socks? Or would thin socks in some other fabric do?

 

For a shirt, I've been looking at semi-stiff front collarless tunic shirts here and here. -EDIT- These are single cuffed I just saw, black tie needs to be double cuffed?
Plain soft marcella shirts would of course be cheaper, but I really like the look of the stiffer fronts. I blame Downton Abbey. I'm thinking MOP studs in silver settings. Cufflinks are silver anatomical hearts my fiancee gave me.

 

We haven't specified dress-code on the invitations, but suit and tie is the norm for weddings in Norway where all the guests are travelling from. Likely to be a lot of jackets over the shoulder though, temps can exceed 35 celsius around that time. I'll be a step up in formality, I know, but you only get married once, right?

 

While writing this I unexpectedly won a Gieves (Gieves&Hawkes RTW sidelabel?) black wool, peak lapel satin faced SB DJ on a starting bid of  £16, I need to get off of eBay... Anyone know the line? I'll most likely stick with the paisley DJ for the reception either way.

post #2228 of 2509
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Originally Posted by AdductorMagnus View Post

G'day gents, short-time stalker, first time poster here.

So I'm getting married in Budapest, Hungary in July.
I'm undecided on the shirt, plain white/pale blue or stripes? Contrast collar? I'm not finding a lot of RTW winchester shirts, at least not in my pricerange. Is online MTM/custom generally frowned upon here? 
We haven't specified dress-code on the invitations, but suit and tie is the norm for weddings in Norway where all the guests are travelling from. Likely to be a lot of jackets over the shoulder though, temps can exceed 35 celsius around that time. I'll be a step up in formality, I know, but you only get married once, right?

While writing this I unexpectedly won a Gieves (Gieves&Hawkes RTW sidelabel?) black wool, peak lapel satin faced SB DJ on a starting bid of  £16, I need to get off of eBay... Anyone know the line? I'll most likely stick with the paisley DJ for the reception either way.

Do give a thought to the heat. If you're spending a long time in 35C, you will suffer if you're wearing a black wool morning coat and a vest. But if you're going to wear a black morning coat, I'd recommend a white-ground striped shirt with a white contrast collar. Stripes in sky blue or pink are classic.

Here is an informative thread on online MTM shirts:
http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?118157-Best-of-the-online-shirtmakers
post #2229 of 2509
I had a Winchester shirt made by Hemrajani at my own wedding, but both Tyrwhitt and TM Lewin will be able to provide decent, relatively low cost alternatives.
post #2230 of 2509
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Originally Posted by Testudo_Aubreii View Post


Do give a thought to the heat. If you're spending a long time in 35C, you will suffer if you're wearing a black wool morning coat and a vest. 

Thanks for the link.

Yeah I've considered the heat. I've read that the more open weave of older woolen fabrics cloths breathe more, and are thus cooler than the modern lightweight woolens with a tighter weave. Also the insulating effect of wools go both ways. Which is why beduins are covered top to toe. I'm hoping I'm not wrong on this. I'm also thinking of wearing a wicking undershirt.

 

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Originally Posted by RogerC View Post

I had a Winchester shirt made by Hemrajani at my own wedding, but both Tyrwhitt and TM Lewin will be able to provide decent, relatively low cost alternatives.

Nothing in stock in the Tyrwhitt site as of now at least. I'll check out TM Lewin, thanks.

post #2231 of 2509
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I'm undecided on the shirt, plain white/pale blue or stripes? Contrast collar? I'm not finding a lot of RTW Winchester shirts, at least not in my price range. Is online MTM/custom generally frowned upon here?

Shoes, patent or can I give my plain-toed balmorals a good shine? My patent shoes are a smidgen too small, so I'd rather not spend the entire day in them...

Necktie or bow-tie? I'm partial to bow-ties, though it's not the most common neckwear for morning dress. My fiancée wants shiny silvery for me and my two groomsmen. I don't, but I read in this thread about "wedding-ties" in houndstooth and such which would give a silver look?

Groomsmen will wear loungesuits, one in a nice navy, and the other probably in a bad black one (I'll be dropping subtle hints it's time for a new suit). Not much in the way of hiring options around these parts that I've found, and I'd rather they be comfortable in their own suits than ill-fitting morning dress anyway.

This is the English point of view so adapt as necessary.

Shirt - either are appropriate I tend to go for a plain white shirt with a bolder tie if you are going for the Winchester shirt a traditional Macclesfield wedding tie would be best.

Shoes - definitely plain toed balmorals. Patent would be wrong.

Tie - neck tie. As mentioned above if your wife wants a silvery wedding tie make sure it is a proper Macclesfield tie not one of those terrible crunchy crosses between a tie and a cravat which look awful and wear it with a Winchester shirt.

My son got married in Finland in a grey morning suit and the groomsmen all wore their own suits and looked good doing so.
post #2232 of 2509
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Originally Posted by AdductorMagnus View Post

Thanks for the link.
Yeah I've considered the heat. I've read that the more open weave of older woolen fabrics cloths breathe more, and are thus cooler than the modern lightweight woolens with a tighter weave. Also the insulating effect of wools go both ways. Which is why beduins are covered top to toe. I'm hoping I'm not wrong on this. I'm also thinking of wearing a wicking undershirt.

The Bedouin and other desert nomads wear that because in dry ambient heat that's significantly hotter than body temperature (say, 45C and up) and desert sun, it is better to keep the body's heat in and try to block the ambient heat and sun from entering. At anything less than daytime Sahara temperatures and higher than room temperature, it is better to wear fabrics that let the body heat out. And as this post in a useful thread on the topic says, desert nomads now generally prefer cotton over wool, and would probably wear linen if they could afford it. And all this assumes that you're operating in dry desert heat. Humid heat is completely different. If you're going to be in humid heat, then I wouldn't recommend taking desert kit as your guide.

There are plenty of contemporary wool weaves that wear cool and breathe well compared to the woolens of which old morning coats were made. The best are expensive ones like fresco, brisa, and the like. But there are plenty of tropical wool weaves that--while they don't run as cool as the former--are cooler than the shaggy twills of which most old morning coats were made. Buggy linings and half linings in the coat help as well. I'd recommend some digging for threads on fabrics that run cool in dry and humid heat.

As for general options for wedding attire, this thread is a useful guide: http://www.cutterandtailor.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=362
post #2233 of 2509
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

Shoes - definitely plain toed balmorals. Patent would be wrong.

 

Thanks, I don't like to be wrong.

 

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Originally Posted by Testudo_Aubreii View Post


The Bedouin and other desert nomads wear that because in dry ambient heat that's significantly hotter than body temperature (say, 45C and up) and desert sun, it is better to keep the body's heat in and try to block the ambient heat and sun from entering. At anything less than daytime Sahara temperatures and higher than room temperature, it is better to wear fabrics that let the body heat out. And as this post in a useful thread on the topic says, desert nomads now generally prefer cotton over wool, and would probably wear linen if they could afford it. And all this assumes that you're operating in dry desert heat. Humid heat is completely different. If you're going to be in humid heat, then I wouldn't recommend taking desert kit as your guide.

There are plenty of contemporary wool weaves that wear cool and breathe well compared to the woolens of which old morning coats were made. The best are expensive ones like fresco, brisa, and the like. But there are plenty of tropical wool weaves that--while they don't run as cool as the former--are cooler than the shaggy twills of which most old morning coats were made. Buggy linings and half linings in the coat help as well. I'd recommend some digging for threads on fabrics that run cool in dry and humid heat.

As for general options for wedding attire, this thread is a useful guide: http://www.cutterandtailor.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=362

 

That makes a lot of sense. Which means I'm wrong

Getting a new coat is not possible. I'll just hope for a nice chill 25C then. Doesn't really matter, it's my wedding, I'll be a sweaty mess anyway.

post #2234 of 2509
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Originally Posted by AdductorMagnus View Post


My two cents:

Day wear, houndstooth necktie please, no bow tie. Balmorals are much better than patent.

Evening wear, your current bow tie will be fine. Don't close the vents. Thin black socks in any material will be fine. Nothing wrong with being the best dressed, but make the dress code Black Tie Optional and everyone will look nice.
post #2235 of 2509

Good stuff here.

I'm wondering if I should forgo the dove waistcoat, in favor of an identical cut in powder blue Irish linen. Then probably stick with my plain white shirt. Thoughts? A bolder tie was suggested for white shirt, something like a navy/silver regimental stripe? I'm quite the sartorial neophyte as yet, bear with me.

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