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bhoves

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You might consider also an odd waistcoat with a suit, like so:

http://www.permanentstyle.co.uk/2012/11/the-odd-waistcoat-for-formal-occasions.html#.Ug8OEJJQHZw

I quite like that look personally.
I do like the look as well. My main concern is that I was hoping to use the waistcoat and pants as a separate outfit without the jacket and thought the mismatched waistcoat wouldn't work as well for this. Then again I could get two waistcoats made. What colour mismatched coat would you suggest with a grey suit?
 

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What shade grey? I don't think waistcoat and pants that you'd wear to your wedding will ever work as a separate outfit. Sometimes it works OK in a casual way, but that's rare and requires items that aren't in the formal wedding family of garments.
I guess that's true, was just trying to get some extra milage out of the suit. Anyway, I was hoping to get a similar shade to spoo's 3 piece I posted a bit up. Guess you'd call it dark grey.
 

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Yea I know what you mean, but I'd focus on making it as good as possible for what it's supposed to be. You can wear it as just jacket and trousers as often as you like. For the grey in spoo's, I'd try buff first. If it were darker, I'd try dove. But dove and buff are pretty much your two main options.
 

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Yea I know what you mean, but I'd focus on making it as good as possible for what it's supposed to be. You can wear it as just jacket and trousers as often as you like. For the grey in spoo's, I'd try buff first. If it were darker, I'd try dove. But dove and buff are pretty much your two main options.
Thanks for the advice. I have an appointment with my tailor wednesday week, I'll go through the fabrics they have and ask to see buff and dove against the one I go with.
 

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Not endorsing this in any way, but I spotted this window in Milan yesterday and snapped some pictures (located in the VE gallery facing Piazza Duomo, the sign read Davis/Sartoria Rossi):
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At an outdoor wedding in the early afternoon where it's supposed to be sunny, as a guest is it inappropriate to wear sunglasses (dark tortoiseshell Persols—something subdued) during parts of the wedding besides the ceremony? The dress code is "not black tie." The groom will be wearing a gray suit. I'll be wearing navy odd jacket and gray trousers.
 

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Please don't take this as argumentative. On your wedding day, if you decide to wear a full Windsor, forget all this entirely and enjoy your day.

Let's look at the above two pictures. The top looks to me like a full Windsor, the bottom a four-in-hand. Maybe if you yanked the top knot it'll get a little tighter, but it's basically going to look like that. In the top picture you look more boyish, short, and nervous. In the bottom picture you look more confident, relaxed, and mature.

The danger in wearing morning dress is that you look like you're a little boy in a costume headed to a fancy dress party. Of course you want to look like you're wearing something special, but for an important celebration, not to be an extra in a high school production of My Fair Lady.

Some people can avoid this just by having an austere or imposing look to them. Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't seem to me to have that kind of look. The full Windsor looks very "dolled up" and exaggerated - it has the feel of something a man does when he's straining to look important. That's why Jesse at PTO says it's for dicks and jerks. To me, in this case, it looks like you've been dressed by a costume designer or a wedding planner (FWIW the Windsor knot is relatively new and was never worn by the Duke himself - it was likely used to imitate the full knots that the Duke got by wearing ties with thick interlining).

Styleforum member Orgetorix has physical features not unlike yours, and a morning coat with generous lapels. His clothes fit great, and of course these are professional photos rather than phone snaps, but he looks fantastic in these photos, and the four-in-hand knot, a dimple below it, and the tie pin below that add to the ease with which he carries off the whole thing:

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?64567-Vintage-Morning-Dress



The top one is tied exceptionally loosely, packing a great deal of air, and into the wide part of the front half of the tie. It would, at most, be half tgat size if I had tied it as I normally do. I should also mention that the shirt in those photos is a standard spread, while mine is a semi full spread. I almost never Tue four in hands, but rather the Prince Albert knot with tie and shirt combos that would normally call for a four in hand.

From my perspective, the primary difference is the shape of the knot, not the size. The Windsor is shorter and wider, while the four in hand is narrower and, relatively, longer. Half Windsor and four in hands can, with practice, be tied in the same range of sizes. When a knot is too narrow on a full or semi spread collar, any shift during the course of the day threatens too expose the band of the collar, and even the top button. Sportscasters are frequently dressed in this improper way up here on TSN and Rogers Sportsnet. It makes them look like what they are -- jock who have had nice, but OTR clothes tossed on them in an attempt at sophistication. Exposing the neck band destroys the visual continuity of a formal ensemble, and makes one wonder if the man can properly tie and position his knot at all. The shorter knit will also increase, ever so slightly, the height of visible shirt, addimg an extra cm or two of height. I am 5'7" and my best man is 6'1" - I could really use that half inch, even if only I can see it :p



If you can achieve that second look with a Windsor, so be it. But avoid the look of that first one. It sounds like you agree and that knot was just abnormally tied for the picture
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Unbel, your patience is impressive but your eye for detail is outstanding. Until you pointed it out, I couldn't put my finger on why the first knot looked out of place on ITG's build. If both knots are indeed "loose half Windsor", perhaps, ITG, you could bring a tie of your own that your could demonstrate your finished, properly knotted full and half Windsor for us to have a gander at without having to worry about damaging the store's inventory?

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You really do look much better in the slimmer knot pictured above, regardless of type or tightness. Otherwise, I vote for the first knot in terms of color and pattern.
 
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For the record, still both somewhat sloppy, but full Windsor in the purple, half Windsor in the red/gold.
Hmmm, still have to agree with unbelgragazzo and Digemenow; the half still looks a lot better to my eyes.
 
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