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post #1336 of 1636
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You must not be married, and if you are you should understand that it has nothing to do with her not knowing anything about menswear, it has to do with me wanting her to be happy on our wedding day.
Coming from the guy who isn't yet married... fing02[1].gif
Seriously, though, the art of compromise does not dictate that the bride always gets her way. That's how we get monstrosities like the current wedding industry.
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Our florist said he could dye just the tips of white roses to match her dresses... I think that would give her the look she wants while maintaining sanity on my feet
This sounds like a fantastic and distinctive option.
post #1337 of 1636
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Originally Posted by Craig10114 View Post


Long tie.  While I agree the bow tie is the more proper choice, I find they make my face look much rounder and I'm not a fan of how that looks in pictures.

There are many different bow tie shapes. Maybe experiment to find one that flatters your face more?
post #1338 of 1636
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Originally Posted by Craig10114 

My question comes in the form of the all important sock game.  I'm fairly loud when it comes to my day-to-day work socks, and my fiance want's me to take the same course with the socks to match her pink bridesmaid dresses.  So far, the only thing I can find that matches her color is pink and grey (Socks Here).  What are your thoughts on the grey with the black tuxedo?  I'm not sure I'm a fan.  



 



The other option is custom socks...



Black. Anything else disrupts the line of the suit, and (1) draws attention to your feet instead of your face, and (2) destroys the height, and athleticism lent to you by the Tuxedo's characteristics.

 

 

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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

I wonder if we are seeing the start of a new dress standard in the USA. Tuxedo with long tie during the day and with bow tie in the evening/night.

 



I have not noticed anything to do with ties, but what I do think we are seeing evolving is an American tradition of grey tuxedos (for lack of another term) as day time formal attire, or at least as day time wedding attire. It'll probably take 30 or 40 years to settle itself, but I think that's where we're going. We'll also have to get out of the trend of using one of basically three current trends (suspenders/shirt/bow tie, matching vest and pants, chucks/jeans/vest) as an expression of individuality. But, it'll go, then come back in another form, as it always does.
post #1339 of 1636
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

I have not noticed anything to do with ties, but what I do think we are seeing evolving is an American tradition of grey tuxedos (for lack of another term) as day time formal attire, or at least as day time wedding attire. It'll probably take 30 or 40 years to settle itself, but I think that's where we're going. We'll also have to get out of the trend of using one of basically three current trends (suspenders/shirt/bow tie, matching vest and pants, chucks/jeans/vest) as an expression of individuality. But, it'll go, then come back in another form, as it always does.

I really, really hope that you are wrong about this trend. If we're going to wear grey tuxedos (though I am not sure something grey can even be called a tuxedo properly), we might as well wear full morning dress instead.
post #1340 of 1636
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I really, really hope that you are wrong about this trend. If we're going to wear grey tuxedos (though I am not sure something grey can even be called a tuxedo properly), we might as well wear full morning dress instead.

 

I agree, but morning dress has basically died in North America, and nothing has come along to replace it, which has led to Tuxedos during the day, with contrasting vests, and all kinds of hybrids of evening and day time formal wear.  I think grey suits with silk faced lapels look quite nice, to be honest, more so the ones with the facing just around the edge of the lapel.  They are a nice colour to wear during the day.  I prefer morning coats, as well, but I would not have a problem seeing a different formal wear tradition arise in the US.  If it becomes the standard, then we can start seeing quality versions of it worn, and people will buy these suits, and have them properly fitted, to the same extent as people do with Tuxedos.  It would be much better than the confusing mish mash we have currently.

post #1341 of 1636
Can't go wrong with a charcoal or dark navy 3 piece.
post #1342 of 1636
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Can't go wrong with a charcoal or dark navy 3 piece.

 

No argument, though there isn't really anywhere to go for higher formality during the day in the US.  If grey "tuxedos" became a standard, you could also (as a guest) wear a grey suit to a wedding, or garden party, the way one would wear a navy, charcoal, or black suit (I know black is up for dispute :P) to a Black Tie Requested/Optional event.

post #1343 of 1636
That's me as a guest, but I'd easily get married in this same suit if I had to.

post #1344 of 1636
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Originally Posted by MGD83 View Post

That's me as a guest, but I'd easily get married in this same suit if I had to.

 

I can see no argument against that suit.  Looking good, sir!

post #1345 of 1636
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

I agree, but morning dress has basically died in North America, and nothing has come along to replace it, which has led to Tuxedos during the day, with contrasting vests, and all kinds of hybrids of evening and day time formal wear.  I think grey suits with silk faced lapels look quite nice, to be honest, more so the ones with the facing just around the edge of the lapel.  They are a nice colour to wear during the day.  I prefer morning coats, as well, but I would not have a problem seeing a different formal wear tradition arise in the US.  If it becomes the standard, then we can start seeing quality versions of it worn, and people will buy these suits, and have them properly fitted, to the same extent as people do with Tuxedos.  It would be much better than the confusing mish mash we have currently.

Normally more formal garments get cast aside over time, so I think we're more likely to see the tuxedo disappear entirely than to see it come in a different version to be a mainstay of daytime formalwear. I'd expect the "grey tuxedo" to exist almost entirely in rental shops. In a sense, morning dress has been replaced by the lounge suit. We should not necessarily expect to see something new and more complex than a lounge suit come in and replace the lounge suit in certain daytime circumstances.

The problem is that a "grey tuxedo" really doesn't do much that a 3 piece suit does not and really doesn't even do what a 3 piece suit does as well, especially a 3 piece suit with a lower cut vest than is seen on the traditional business version. The tuxedo works because a black jacket with silk facings looks good in the evening and achieves a high level of contrast with the largely visible white shirt topped off with a bow tie. IMO there's a reason silk facings never took off for daytime formalwear. There's not really much point to them in that context. Heck, even a good 2 piece suit will look better than a tuxedo most of the time. I believe mafoofan posted wedding pictures with him in a 2 piece grey suit and he looked better than anyone in a rented grey tuxedo. I empathize with the desire to see more daytime formalwear, but if we don't get a more elegant variation on what people wear already out of the deal, I don't really see the point.
post #1346 of 1636
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Normally more formal garments get cast aside over time, so I think we're more likely to see the tuxedo disappear entirely than to see it come in a different version to be a mainstay of daytime formalwear. I'd expect the "grey tuxedo" to exist almost entirely in rental shops. In a sense, morning dress has been replaced by the lounge suit. We should not necessarily expect to see something new and more complex than a lounge suit come in and replace the lounge suit in certain daytime circumstances.

The problem is that a "grey tuxedo" really doesn't do much that a 3 piece suit does not and really doesn't even do what a 3 piece suit does as well, especially a 3 piece suit with a lower cut vest than is seen on the traditional business version. The tuxedo works because a black jacket with silk facings looks good in the evening and achieves a high level of contrast with the largely visible white shirt topped off with a bow tie. IMO there's a reason silk facings never took off for daytime formalwear. There's not really much point to them in that context. Heck, even a good 2 piece suit will look better than a tuxedo most of the time. I believe mafoofan posted wedding pictures with him in a 2 piece grey suit and he looked better than anyone in a rented grey tuxedo. I empathize with the desire to see more daytime formalwear, but if we don't get a more elegant variation on what people wear already out of the deal, I don't really see the point.

 

Obviously anyone wearing a properly tailored suit is going to look better than someone in rented attire.  If the convention actually manages to establish itself, people will be able to buy, and properly fit, their grey semi-formal day time suit, whatever it ends up being called.  Like with Tuxedos, there would be a range of well designed, to atrocious.  Those that I think would become popular among the discerning, are those with silk faced edges, rather than fully silk faced lapels - like the Morning Coat/Waistcoat set that Prince Charles often wears.  Essentially, they will be three piece suits, with an added decoration.

 

I'm not arguing in favour of this becoming the day time standard of formal, or semi-formal, attire.  I'm saying I think it's what will evolve, based on what I'm seeing people do.  People are rejecting the Tuxedo for day time weddings because they are questioning the North American convention of wearing Tuxedos (or some incorrect version of them) for all weddings, because black suits just don't look very good in sunlight.  I believe that is the motivation for moving to the grey version, as it is more than a suit, but can still look good during the day.  I would much rather see a resurgence in morning dress, but, as you say yourself, the morning coat stands a greater chance of being completely discarded than having a serious renaissance on this side of the Atlantic.  A formal convention of any kind gives the gentlemen in attendance the uniformity of formal dress, whatever the dress code entails.  If a distinct convention of "grey suits for a wedding" evolved, that would achieve the same result, and I don't see any reason one couldn't punch up a lovely grey suit for special, more formal, occasions, with a tasteful detail like understated silk edging on his lapels.  Like most things, if it's done poorly, it will be hideous, but if it's done well it could be lovely.

 

Again, I'm not arguing on behalf of grey "formal suits," and I'm not suggesting that rented attire is ever superior to properly fitted clothes.  Just based on what I observed in the planning process of my own wedding, this is the direction I see things going, and I don't think it would, necessarily, be bad if it happened.  These would, then, be suits people would start buying, designers would start designing, and manufacturers would start manufacturing.  But, anyway, it's not a proposition, but rather an observation, and a prediction.  Essentially, the luncheon suit - TRADEMARK! - may well evolve from the Tuxedo over the period of 2000-2040, the way that its predecessor evolved from White Tie a hundred years previous.

post #1347 of 1636
Luckily morning dress is still commonly seen at weddings in the UK. The marker of the rented morning suit here is the obnoxious cravat tie that the hire companies seem to think is necessary. Those who own their suits will be wearing a normal tie.
post #1348 of 1636
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You must not be married, and if you are you should understand that it has nothing to do with her not knowing anything about menswear, it has to do with me wanting her to be happy on our wedding day.  If it were up to me, we'd be wearing black socks.... but she wants some color, is that the end of the world?

It's your wedding, so wear whatever you want. But this is a Style Forum, so don't think we're going to tell you it looks good.
post #1349 of 1636
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Originally Posted by Craig10114 View Post

Long tie.  While I agree the bow tie is the more proper choice, I find they make my face look much rounder and I'm not a fan of how that looks in pictures.

You're wearing a tux. In the day time. With a long tie. And pink socks.

Riiiiiiight.
Edited by Veremund - 5/9/14 at 7:34am
post #1350 of 1636
Generally I would tell a guy to go with purchasing a grey three-piece instead of renting a grey "tux." At least one can get some use out of it post-wedding. I would suggest going with some details that would take it beyond a business suit: Peak lapels, a ticket pocket...and as someone else mentioned a lower-cut vest. And French cuffs, or course!
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