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post #916 of 1154
Those look like brown George Boots which are worn by the British Military
on formal occasions:

http://www.shoeandboot.co.uk/Sanders_George_.html

Worn here with spurs:
( second picture)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381816/Royal-Wedding-2011-Prince-William-Harry-don-military-uniforms.html
Edited by comrade - 2/23/14 at 11:27pm
post #917 of 1154

Cross-post from  the state of black tie thread, could you help with identifying the age of this suit?

 

I bought this in a charity shop here, in Edinburgh, where I study.

 

It seems quite to very old to me, but I'm far from sure. One clue to its age is the fact that it's a 3-piece. And that the company by which it was made stopped work in 1985, I think.

It's fully canvased, ad made of a heavy, very soft, and breathable barathea wool fabric (too old to be synthetic. And much too fine). It's unbelievably comfortable. I mean, I've even ran in this suit...

It was probably a nice off the peg suit. (as it has tags in all separate pieces and lacks surgeon cuffs. It's only a guess, though.)

 

        

Details (Click to show)

And the details (to help identify the age):

 Curved breast pocket

 

 Brand - Baronia.

 

 Other tags are gone, like this one (there was a tag in the waistcoat pockets, and the trouser back pocket)

 

 Link closure.

 

 Waistcoat (with a new back)

 

 Trousers - double forward pleats, brace buttons on the outside, braid on the side.

 

 Trouser closure

 

 Pleats, pocket, braid details.
post #918 of 1154

Looks like 1940s to me, particularly the style of the brace and fly buttons on the pants and the closely-spaced buttons/the cut of the vest.  I have a similar tuxedo jacket from the early 1930s that shares the curved breast pocket detail and link front but has crazy damask silk buttons instead.

What are the sleeve buttons like; how many/are they spaced/fake buttonhole style?  Is there any visible stitching underneath the back of the collar if you flip it up?

post #919 of 1154
Sirs, I will be posting up some pictures of my vintage formal stuff this weekend, but I have a question.

The covered buttons on my frock coat are quite worn, and one is missing from the front and one from the sleeve.

The threads feel quite brittle and I fear I may lose more if I wear it buttoned.

Am I best off trying to find a similar vintage button, or replacing the entire set?

Is there a source I should look to?

Also, possibly because I am an idiot, I can't seem to figure out how I'm supposed to button the confounded thing; it is double breasted with two rows of buttons and two rows of button holes. (Prince Albert?)

Edit: snapped a few pictures.











Any idea on year?
It has no tags anywhere, no outside pockets, one inner right breast pocket, and a smaller inner left waist pocket. Button holes in both lapels.

Does the small inner waist pocket have a special purpose?

Is there a way to touch up the worn patch on the lapel?


J
Edited by J011yroger - 2/26/14 at 4:53am
post #920 of 1154
Quote:
Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

Sirs, I will be posting up some pictures of my vintage formal stuff this weekend, but I have a question.

The covered buttons on my frock coat are quite worn, and one is missing from the front and one from the sleeve.

The threads feel quite brittle and I fear I may lose more if I wear it buttoned.

Am I best off trying to find a similar vintage button, or replacing the entire set?

Is there a source I should look to?

Also, possibly because I am an idiot, I can't seem to figure out how I'm supposed to button the confounded thing; it is double breasted with two rows of buttons and two rows of button holes. (Prince Albert?)

Edit: snapped a few pictures.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)









Any idea on year?
It has no tags anywhere, no outside pockets, one inner right breast pocket, and a smaller inner left waist pocket. Button holes in both lapels.

Does the small inner waist pocket have a special purpose?

Is there a way to touch up the worn patch on the lapel?


J

Your frock coat was almost certainly made before about 1925. Except in some very rare diplomatic uses, the frock coat fell entirely out of style after that point. I'd put it in the first two decades of the 20th century, but it's hard to be more precise than that.

You won't be able to find a matching button. If you want to replace the missing one(s), you'll have to replace them all. And no, no way to fix the worn lapel silk.

Many pictures I've seen of men wearing frock coats show them worn open and unbuttoned, so you don't necessarily have to worry about buttoning it. If you do, button it left over right just like any men's jacket or coat. Does the right side of the jacket show any indications the buttons have been moved closer to the edge than they might have once been?

Edit: This one may not have ever been meant to button, but instead to close with a link front. Not sure. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frock_coat#Informal_frock_coat_suits
post #921 of 1154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gajsek View Post

Cross-post from  the state of black tie thread, could you help with identifying the age of this suit?

I bought this in a charity shop here, in Edinburgh, where I study.

It seems quite to very old to me, but I'm far from sure. One clue to its age is the fact that it's a 3-piece. And that the company by which it was made stopped work in 1985, I think.
It's fully canvased, ad made of a heavy, very soft, and breathable barathea wool fabric (too old to be synthetic. And much too fine). It's unbelievably comfortable. I mean, I've even ran in this suit...
It was probably a nice off the peg suit. (as it has tags in all separate pieces and lacks surgeon cuffs. It's only a guess, though.) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Details (Click to show)
And the details (to help identify the age):

Curved breast pocket


Brand - Baronia.


Other tags are gone, like this one (there was a tag in the waistcoat pockets, and the trouser back pocket)


Link closure.


Waistcoat (with a new back)


Trousers - double forward pleats, brace buttons on the outside, braid on the side.


Trouser closure


Pleats, pocket, braid details.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deadAngle View Post

Looks like 1940s to me, particularly the style of the brace and fly buttons on the pants and the closely-spaced buttons/the cut of the vest.  I have a similar tuxedo jacket from the early 1930s that shares the curved breast pocket detail and link front but has crazy damask silk buttons instead.


What are the sleeve buttons like; how many/are they spaced/fake buttonhole style?  Is there any visible stitching underneath the back of the collar if you flip it up?

I'd guess mid '30s to early '40s, based on the cut and style. The silk covered buttons deadAngle mentions are a holdover from an earlier style, and while they were still used occasionally in the '30s, plain buttons like yours were more common.
post #922 of 1154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orgetorix View Post

Your frock coat was almost certainly made before about 1925. Except in some very rare diplomatic uses, the frock coat fell entirely out of style after that point. I'd put it in the first two decades of the 20th century, but it's hard to be more precise than that.

You won't be able to find a matching button. If you want to replace the missing one(s), you'll have to replace them all. And no, no way to fix the worn lapel silk.

Many pictures I've seen of men wearing frock coats show them worn open and unbuttoned, so you don't necessarily have to worry about buttoning it. If you do, button it left over right just like any men's jacket or coat. Does the right side of the jacket show any indications the buttons have been moved closer to the edge than they might have once been?

Edit: This one may not have ever been meant to button, but instead to close with a link front. Not sure. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frock_coat#Informal_frock_coat_suits

Very cool, I didn't know if the lack of tags and labels meant it was just made by a regular person and not a company, or very old stuff wasn't tagged.

I can't imagine it is supposed to have a link, that would look silly with the other two rows of buttons at different distances.

J
post #923 of 1154
Here's my vintage formal wear find. Union tag indicates post 1964, but judging by the styling, I'd say not much past that year. What do you guys think? Trousers are super high rise with side tabs and a single pleat, with a very short waistcoat, jacket has a shawl collar with link closure, un-vented and flap pockets.
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post #924 of 1154
I agree with your dating, Eazy. Nice pickup.
post #925 of 1154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orgetorix View Post

I agree with your dating, Eazy. Nice pickup.

Thanks, it fits me nearly perfectly off the rack too! I was thinking about having the legs slimmed down just a touch, but I'm not too sure if I want to mess with the proportions.
post #926 of 1154
^ Very cool, the epitome of "swanky!" Is it midnight blue or is the color temp just off? As a lover of slim trousers, I'd say to leave the leg and embrace the drape that it was cut with, unless it's excessive.
post #927 of 1154
Thread Starter 
Does anyone know about how old this is? Its an A2, right?

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post #928 of 1154
That is an A2. Not sure of the age though.
post #929 of 1154
post #930 of 1154
I would take it over to the fedora lounge, those guys live to ID jackets of this sort.

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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

Does anyone know about how old this is? Its an A2, right?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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