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post #106 of 175
In most jurisdictions having sex with a drunk chick IS rape. Legally, at least. I've had some success with jury nullification on these cases, but I will admit I've lost cases where a drunk man has sex with a drunk woman and then goes to prison and gets ass raped by the Nation of Islam for a decade.
post #107 of 175
Shit, I've got three of these cases right now. In one my client is a black man who had drunk sex with a white woman. He's sooooo going to rape prison for the rest of his life. Good thing he paid in advance.
post #108 of 175
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first off, that's not what the surveys ask. and the statistic isn't rape, last I checked, but rather sexual assault.

edit: according to some random university rape counseling site, it's 25% have been raped or have been the victim of attempted rape (sexual assault?)
post #109 of 175
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

first off, that's not what the surveys ask. and the statistic isn't rape, last I checked, but rather sexual assault.

edit: according to some random university rape counseling site, it's 25% have been raped or have been the victim of attempted rape (sexual assault?)

Now, I'm not a lawyer nor am I too smart, but you do realize rape is subsumed by "sexual assault" in many (most?) jurisdictions, right?

http://www.ovw.usdoj.gov/sexassault.htm
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Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.
post #110 of 175
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Now, I'm not a lawyer nor am I too smart, but you do realize rape is subsumed by "sexual assault" in many (most?) jurisdictions, right?

http://www.ovw.usdoj.gov/sexassault.htm

OK then? So I guess the statistic is that 25% are sexually assaulted in some way?
post #111 of 175
I've grabbed a chicks butt without explicit permission.
post #112 of 175
If "explicit permission" is the defining characteristic I was raped last night. I liked it.
post #113 of 175
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

first off, that's not what the surveys ask. and the statistic isn't rape, last I checked, but rather sexual assault.

edit: according to some random university rape counseling site, it's 25% have been raped or have been the victim of attempted rape (sexual assault?)

Doesn't matter what the surveys asked, having sex with an intoxicated woman is rape in every state. So probably 95%+ of sex is illegal, notwithstanding Mormons.
post #114 of 175
Be honest, what percentage of sexual encounters have any of us had that didn't involve alcohol?
post #115 of 175
Apparently I've raped every woman I've ever been with. And I've been with a lot.
post #116 of 175
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The only time I think of woman-on-man-rape is a scene from a terrible made for TV movie from 1991 called the Haunted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunted_(1991_film)

It's "a true story" about a haunted house that's actually not too far from where I live. In the made for TV movie the husband gets raped by a female ghost. I always just assumed that the husband was beating off on the living room floor, came, passed out, and then the family comes home from McDonalds to see Daddy sprawled out on the carpet with his softened junk in his hand and he had to come up with a lie really quick so he claims he was ghost-woman-raped.

Actually I'm not sure why I thought of that, but whatever.

EDIT - Here's the ghost-rape scene. Probably NSFW although it was broadcast on regular TV back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OSIxx6cgFM

Also love the Youtube comments -



Stay classy, youtube.

This deserved more recognition than it got.
post #117 of 175
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Doesn't matter what the surveys asked, having sex with an intoxicated woman is rape in every state. So probably 95%+ of sex is illegal, notwithstanding Mormons.

that's fine, but the surveys that determine these numbers don't ask 'have you had sex while intoxicated?'
post #118 of 175
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that's fine, but the surveys that determine these numbers don't ask 'have you had sex while intoxicated?'

You've mentioned a couple times now what these surveys do and don't have. I'd be interested in reading the surveys you're referencing.
post #119 of 175
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I don't have one in front of me, but the questions are usually part of a large anonymous health survey they give to like 20% of student populations at a college. there's lot of questions about drinking habits, studying habits, and there are questions like "Have you ever been the victim of a sexual assault?" "Have you ever been touched inappropriately?" that kind of stuff. It's never "Were you drunk and had sex?"

what's tough to tell, though, is how many convictions a campus has for sexual assault in a given year. while there are mandatory reporting requirements (which are often violated), these requirements don't usually extend to other jurisdictions - even 5 feet outside campus - even if both the victim and the perpetrator are students. what's crazy is how poorly designed the guidelines are. a few months ago someone was murdered 20 feet off campus here and the police didn't send any sort of warning, and when people complain they said 'well we kept to the letter of the law!', even though it's clear if they gave a shit about student safety, perhaps informing students that a gunman was in sight of campus was important. it's in colleges best interest to hush as much stuff up as possible.
post #120 of 175
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

I don't have one in front of me, but the questions are usually part of a large anonymous health survey they give to like 20% of student populations at a college. there's lot of questions about drinking habits, studying habits, and there are questions like "Have you ever been the victim of a sexual assault?" "Have you ever been touched inappropriately?" that kind of stuff. It's never "Were you drunk and had sex?"

what's tough to tell, though, is how many convictions a campus has for sexual assault in a given year. while there are mandatory reporting requirements (which are often violated), these requirements don't usually extend to other jurisdictions - even 5 feet outside campus - even if both the victim and the perpetrator are students. what's crazy is how poorly designed the guidelines are. a few months ago someone was murdered 20 feet off campus here and the police didn't send any sort of warning, and when people complain they said 'well we kept to the letter of the law!', even though it's clear if they gave a shit about student safety, perhaps informing students that a gunman was in sight of campus was important. it's in colleges best interest to hush as much stuff up as possible.

So you're referencing anonymous health surveys? Here I was thinking you were making a possibly valid observation on the DoJ’s National Crime Victimization Survey.
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