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post #31 of 222
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I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but if I were a director, why would I feel restrained by what a few comic books that maybe ninety thousand people read?

The fact that the IDW comics are being considered canon was confirmed directly by Roberto Orci. He is one of the writers and producers of this movie and also had a similar role on the first one.

Besides this, you must of course realize that this is all part of a large marketing and media effort based on the Star Trek property. There is a level of organization here and when the decision was made to start an ongoing comic series it was done so to appeal to certain fan's desires to flesh out and expand the rebooted universe. To not have a level of continuity between the various media being used to tell these stories would be illogical.
post #32 of 222
To contrast the above I'd like to bring up a point: If George Lucas is willing to fabricate characters and shit on the heads of his fans I don't see why JJ Abrams couldn't either.
post #33 of 222
If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains however improbable is invariably true.

Thus, it's a pseudonym for Kahn.
post #34 of 222
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It's amusing that people are still speculating online it's Khan. I just don't see it and with the recent interviews with Cumberbatch, I think it's safe to rule that out. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/12/12/benedict-cumberbatch-talks-about-his-trek-villain-promises-hes-not-khan-under-an-alias/
So who is John Harrison? Well he's not the redshirt from the original series that shared the last name. It's been confirmed that the character has superhuman levels of strength and intelligence. It's here and playing into fan's expectations that I am going to double down on my theory that he's one of the genetically altered super-humans like Kahn was, just not the same man. Harrison will either turn out to be one of Khan's men or perhaps even more interesting the leader of a warring faction from the Eugenics Wars. We know that other warlords existed and fought against Kahn, so it wouldn't be too much of a leap to believe that some of them might have survived and been placed in extended cryogenic sleep too.

Doubtful, at least him being one of Khan's guys / rival faction guy, because:
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When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for, leaving our world in a state of crisis. With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction. As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.
Wouldn't "from within their own organization" rule out all of Khan's men or their rivals? They wouldn't be part of starfleet...
post #35 of 222
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At some point, i'm sure inconsistencies will happen. This rebooted universe has potential to be considered the main canon for years to come. It's reasonable to assume that decisions will be made down the line to tell stories that may contradict earlier narratives. The point being made here is that right now care is being taken to prevent that from happening.
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Doubtful, at least him being one of Khan's guys / rival faction guy, because:

Wouldn't "from within their own organization" rule out all of Khan's men or their rivals? They wouldn't be part of starfleet...


Who's to say that in this rebooted universe the Botany Bay wasn't discovered years earlier by Starfleet? Or that other survivors from the Eugenics Wars were awakened? It's just a theory and I could well be wrong, but keep in mind that there is a level of freedom provided to JJ and crew in how they tell these stories. Technically anything after the moment Nero arrived can be different then the universe we grew up with.
post #37 of 222
I can see in this thread that jj abrams' viral marketing gimmick is working well
post #38 of 222
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If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains however improbable is invariably true.
Thus, it's a pseudonym for Kahn.

I like vere zis is headed.

post #39 of 222
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No doubt that this has been part of the film's marketing campaign. Called that fact out in my original post. I find the speculation on the villian fun and it has been a smart move on the studio's part to play it this way. Generating a lot of buzz for the film which will be in danger of being overshodowed by news of the forthcoming Star Wars films once details start to hit.
post #40 of 222
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Description of the 9 minute prologue being shown before certain screenings of The Hobbit.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/14/analysis-of-star-trek-into-darkness-imax-prologue-open-thread-for-prologue-trailer-2/
post #41 of 222
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Here's something else to ponder. We know Peter Weller has been cast for the film, but they have provided very few details about his role. Normally this early in the game that wouldn't mean much, but you have to consider two thing.

1. He's a well known name in Sci-Fi. If I were in-charge of marketing this movie to it's core audience, I would think it foolish not to put him and his role out to help increase buzz.

2. It's odd that all they have said so far is he plays a "CEO" which is decidedly a very un-Star Trek roll.

So where am I going with this? Well if fans are willing to engage in mental gymnastics to try and explain how they could cast a pasty man with a thick British accent as Khan, it stands to believe they would have far less trouble accepting one who looks like this.



He's not the right nationality, but truthfully neither was Ricardo Montalbán. So what if Weller's character is Khan? While everyone is speculating who Crumby plays, they manage to sneak Khan into the film another way. Having Khan make an apparence, but not be the film's main villian could easily fit into the theories I have posted before.
post #42 of 222
Peter Weller is best Weller. Fucking RoboCop and Buckaroo Banzai? I am a fan.
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Peter Weller is best Weller. Fucking RoboCop and Buckaroo Banzai? I am a fan.

Fucking love Peter Weller icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #44 of 222
People aren't focusing on the important thing - what happened to all the lens flare!?
post #45 of 222
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Peter Weller is best Weller. Fucking RoboCop and Buckaroo Banzai? I am a fan.
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Fucking love Peter Weller icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif


All the more reason that my speculation here may hold water. nod[1].gif

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People aren't focusing on the important thing - what happened to all the lens flare!?


I've read that the lens flares have greatly been toned down in the footage shown so far. Not that I hated them in the first film, like it appears some did. shog[1].gif
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