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Derby for wide fore foot and narrow heel?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi I unfortunately belong to the 'wide fore feet and narrow heel' clan. Would the problem be alleviated if I buy derby shoes instead of oxfords? (assuming the open lacing will let me pull the vamp down by tying the lace holes close together).

 

If you have the same problem as me please let me know how you feel and your ratio of oxford to derby shoes.

 

Thanks in advance.

post #2 of 11
not necessarily. your problem would be better served by sizing up slightly on the oxfords. the heel ratio has more to do with the shoe's last than anything else. not all wide shoes necessarily have wide heels. what brands have you tried before?
post #3 of 11
alden modified last.
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi thanks for the reply. I'm new to good shoes and I've recently bought my first pair called Wallace from Barkers with a G width fitting (last 69). My right foot fits perfectly but the left seems a bit looser. (the heel seems to be less well fitted than the right).
 

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alden modified last.

True. The True Balance last would have a narrower heel though.
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Originally Posted by kaizo View Post

Hi thanks for the reply. I'm new to good shoes and I've recently bought my first pair called Wallace from Barkers with a G width fitting (last 69). My right foot fits perfectly but the left seems a bit looser. (the heel seems to be less well fitted than the right).

 

Well, first off, you have to understand that both of your feet might not be exactly equal. Its a fairly common problem. You may have to get a 10 for the right and a 9.5 for the left. Secondly, something like a tongue pad could help keep your foot back if it is a bit small in there.
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

Yeah I looked through the forum for the one feet being bigger than the other issue and insoles, heel grips and tongue pads seems to be the most common solution... I'm using insoles at the moment.

 

If anyone has tried tongue pads and heel grips please let me know which one worked better for wide feet + narrow heel (I know it depends on one's shape of the feet but as a general opinion).

 

p.s. does leather tongue pad exist? They all seem to be made of cheap felt.
 

post #7 of 11
I found the leather hell pads came off quite easily. The felt tongue pads are fine, and easy to trim. Much more comfortable than leather would be, I think. Would you really want to tighten your laces and have the edge of the pad digging into your foot?
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply I think I'll stick to the felt ones. One more thing are the felt pads durable? Or do you have to replace them frequently?
post #9 of 11
I have the same problem.
I also wear 4E running shoes (trainers)
I have found the Ludwig Reiter, Amerikaner Last
works for me. I also understand that their Uniform Last
would also work.

http://www.ludwig-reiter.com/
Edited by comrade - 12/3/12 at 9:29pm
post #10 of 11

This would be a "great" thread if only we had solutions for each other, except as commiseration is a kind of solution.

 

There is another thread similar to this one floating around, and I read every single post because I have this problem, too. I will say that that thread was somewhat diverted by contributors interested simply in narrow of wide shoes. Those we understand and they are not the problem or the solution. What we want is a shoe that has a more substantial "drop" in the heel to toe box ratio. The standard is a two size drop: a US D typically is a B heel and a D toe box. What we need is a A/D or B/E or C/EE. Etc.

 

I propose that a derby shoe may not provide the solution you hope, so be careful about ordering from the UK if doing so might entail a very pricy return shipment.

 

The problem with "our problem" with regard to derbies/bluchers are three

 

(1) There can be too much slack to tighten. If the facings close when you tighten them, you can't go any tighter

(2) You may end up tightening the top so much to prevent heel slippage that you cut off the circulation and get tingly feet (sounds fun, but it isn't)

(3) The facings become misaligned because there isn't enough foot in the heel and instep to hold the vamp in the correct position. You might get them to fit snug enough, but the eyelets appear to be completely out of whack.

 

I think Church's 103 last is the best for feet like ours, but if you consider why it is so you may be able to find other solutions. It is an extremely rounded toe with considerable "head-room" in the toe box but with a typically (for Church's) close fit overall. That is, the shoe really isn't all that wide, but the toe box is because it looks cool that way if you think it looks cool. Also the higher toe box "head room" allows the toes to move up and down more, which provides some comfort.

 

I have had decent luck with Allen Edmonds number 1 last, but only decent.

 

If anyone has had useful experiences, please share.

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hi thanks for the reply. I'll give church's 103 last a go. I've always fancied their black brogues. smile.gif

Fortunately being British I can get around the shipping problem rather easily. :P

Please let me know if any other lasts (from any brand) works for us.
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