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Poll Results: Allen Edmonds or Alden!?

 
  • 45% (130)
    Allen Edmonds
  • 54% (154)
    Alden
284 Total Votes  
post #166 of 223
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post
 

 

Is this extra layer of leather something you are supposed to be able to see in the pic??  I'm sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

 

It took me a while to figure out what he was talking about as well.  I think he's referring to what I have circled in red below:

 

 

Alden's model only has decorative stitching in that area, while the comparable Allen Edmonds has an additional piece of leather as part of the upper.

 

I was confused by his posts earlier as well, thinking that he was generalizing all Allen Edmonds and all Alden's when he was making his comments (which of course can't be done).  It would have saved a lot of confusion if a specific model and picture was referenced from the very beginning.  As you said, this is a thread about AE and Alden preferences in general, not just to the specific wingtips in the above photo.

post #167 of 223
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Originally Posted by Duspin View Post

I'm sure AE will tell you the same, but it bears repeating:  Do not buy shoes second hand.  Ever.  No matter how much money you think you will save.  The cork beds in well-made shoes conform to the owner's feet, and while the speed with which the cork conforms isn't known, it makes sense to think that the cork will not "readjust" to a second foot.  Further, the sweat and body oils of another person don't magically leave the leather lining of the shoes before you put your own foot in them.  Save your money a little longer and buy new.

While I am not a huge fan of buying used, it is unfair to say you should never do it. People buy and sell shoes all the time with no ill effect. Also, the cork bed is not a huge deal: (1) While it may not perfectly re-adjust to the new foot, it will conform to the new foot with some "artifacts" from its previous owner, (2) When the shoe is re-crafted, a new cork bed is laid.
post #168 of 223

I've purchased plenty of used shoes... I haven't noticed what all this "cork footbed" hubbub is about.

post #169 of 223
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post

 

 

It took me a while to figure out what he was talking about as well.  I think he's referring to what I have circled in red below:

 

 

Alden's model only has decorative stitching in that area, while the comparable Allen Edmonds has an additional piece of leather as part of the upper.

 

I was confused by his posts earlier as well, thinking that he was generalizing all Allen Edmonds and all Alden's when he was making his comments (which of course can't be done).  It would have saved a lot of confusion if a specific model and picture was referenced from the very beginning.  As you said, this is a thread about AE and Alden preferences in general, not just to the specific wingtips in the above photo.

Thanks for helping to clarify MWS.  Not sure it changes my views of either.  However, i am seriously considering acquiring the burgundy Cambridge next week in the Rediscover America sale. Part of me says to spend the extra $100 for the BB shortwing bal/oxford  in color 8.  I have tried it and loved it.  I will go to the local AE store to try the Cambridge some time this week and make a decision.

post #170 of 223
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Originally Posted by masernaut View Post
 

I've purchased plenty of used shoes... I haven't noticed what all this "cork footbed" hubbub is about.

I personally don't care to buy used shoes as I am a bit of a germaphobe.  However, if you buy shoes that have little to light use behind them, I'm not sure the corkbed issue is significant.  But with shoes that have serious mileage behind them, the corkbed imprint could be significant.

post #171 of 223
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post
 

Thanks for helping to clarify MWS.  Not sure it changes my views of either.  However, i am seriously considering acquiring the burgundy Cambridge next week in the Rediscover America sale. Part of me says to spend the extra $100 for the BB shortwing bal/oxford  in color 8.  I have tried it and loved it.  I will go to the local AE store to try the Cambridge some time this week and make a decision.

 

So I have both the Alden short wing Bal and the AE Cambridge...they really are almost different shoes. I find the Alden much more suitable for sport coat occasions and slacks whereas the last of the Cambridge seems to be more conducive to suit wearing and sport coat wearing. I agree with MWS that the broguing on the Alden seems to be finished finer, but the Tremont last makes the shoe look bigger, thicker, almost country-like. The cord is much finer on the Alden-there is no question about that, but the fit and sleekness on the Cambridge really make it a more versatile shoe. 

post #172 of 223
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Originally Posted by JermynStreet View Post
 

So I have both the Alden short wing Bal and the AE Cambridge...they really are almost different shoes. I find the Alden much more suitable for sport coat occasions and slacks whereas the last of the Cambridge seems to be more conducive to suit wearing and sport coat wearing. I agree with MWS that the broguing on the Alden seems to be finished finer, but the Tremont last makes the shoe look bigger, thicker, almost country-like. The cord is much finer on the Alden-there is no question about that, but the fit and sleekness on the Cambridge really make it a more versatile shoe. 

I completely agree with you J-Street.  However, I'm not interested in Alden's 974 (tremont last).  I'm considering the BB version which is on the M-75 last which is very different than the tremont.  You are correct that the tremont is big, bulky, and round; not quite as pronounced as the barrie, but certainly country-like.

 

The M-75 last is a very different animal.  I love its sleek shape, comfort, and color 8 finish.  It's in a similar category as the 5 last.  I can get the BB version for about $690-700.  With the Rediscover Am sale, I can get the Cambridge for about $550.  I will try to determine if the BB version is worth the extra dinero.

post #173 of 223

Curious if anyone has seen the Alden 6 eyelet chukka (mentioned above) for sale recently ? I've searched a good bit but have come up empty. Thanks

post #174 of 223
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Originally Posted by latestyle View Post
 

Curious if anyone has seen the Alden 6 eyelet chukka (mentioned above) for sale recently ? I've searched a good bit but have come up empty. Thanks

 

You would probably have better luck asking this question over in The Official Alden Thread.

post #175 of 223

Took a look at the shell cambridge (AE) in burgundy.  Very nice fit, but the shell looked terrible.  I suspect it is a shoe that has been in the store for a while.  I don't know if AE shell ages this way, but I have seen this with a great deal of AE shell models in store.  The color looks like it fades, almost like it was colored with a crayon.  Additionally, the different pieces of shell on the shoe had different shades of burgundy making it look like patch-work.  (I've seen this with both AE and Alden from time to time)  Needless to say, I decided not to go with it.  I thought of ordering it directly through the website in hopes of getting a newer pair, but decided not to since I'd rather not discover a couple of months later that my shoes would transform in this manner.

 

Any thoughts or similar experiences??  I may just stay with AE calf models...

post #176 of 223
I only have experience with AE and Alden calfskin, but it feels to me like the Alden have a thicker and maybe slightly longer in the toe direction heel. Almost like it's got another piece of leather in their AE's don't.
post #177 of 223
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Originally Posted by truthancisco View Post

I only have experience with AE and Alden calfskin, but it feels to me like the Alden have a thicker and maybe slightly longer in the toe direction heel. Almost like it's got another piece of leather in their AE's don't.

 

I'm not following you.  :paranoia:

post #178 of 223
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post

I'm not following you.  patch%5B1%5D.gif

The heelcap area feels more substatial and like it wraps around farther. Almost like there is another piece in there the AE dont have
post #179 of 223
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post

Took a look at the shell cambridge (AE) in burgundy.  Very nice fit, but the shell looked terrible.  I suspect it is a shoe that has been in the store for a while.  I don't know if AE shell ages this way, but I have seen this with a great deal of AE shell models in store.  The color looks like it fades, almost like it was colored with a crayon.  Additionally, the different pieces of shell on the shoe had different shades of burgundy making it look like patch-work.  (I've seen this with both AE and Alden from time to time)  Needless to say, I decided not to go with it.  I thought of ordering it directly through the website in hopes of getting a newer pair, but decided not to since I'd rather not discover a couple of months later that my shoes would transform in this manner.

Any thoughts or similar experiences??  I may just stay with AE calf models...

The disparity among pieces of shell goes with the turf. Shell is more impermeable than calfskin, and each shell takes the dye a bit differently. A friend who works a lot with shell--and has close ties to the Horweens--tells me that you could have a hundred shells from the same dye lot, and each would still look slightly different from the rest.
post #180 of 223
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post

Took a look at the shell cambridge (AE) in burgundy.  Very nice fit, but the shell looked terrible.  I suspect it is a shoe that has been in the store for a while.  I don't know if AE shell ages this way, but I have seen this with a great deal of AE shell models in store.  The color looks like it fades, almost like it was colored with a crayon.  Additionally, the different pieces of shell on the shoe had different shades of burgundy making it look like patch-work.  (I've seen this with both AE and Alden from time to time)  Needless to say, I decided not to go with it.  I thought of ordering it directly through the website in hopes of getting a newer pair, but decided not to since I'd rather not discover a couple of months later that my shoes would transform in this manner.

Any thoughts or similar experiences??  I may just stay with AE calf models...

The disparity among pieces of shell goes with the turf. Shell is more impermeable than calfskin, and each shell takes the dye a bit differently. A friend who works a lot with shell--and has close ties to the Horweens--tells me that you could have a hundred shells from the same dye lot, and each would still look slightly different from the rest.

If you read again, that was the least of my issues.  I clearly get that matching pieces of shell isn't easy, but AE seems to have the bar set much lower in an effort to make the shoe look proper.  It's rare that you will find a pair of Alden wingtips look that bad/poorly matched.  If you do, it will almost certainly be with their whiskey shell; the lighter the color the more difficult to maintain the consistency in color.  You shouldn't have that big of a problem with color 8/burgundy.  Bottom line, that shoe in the AE store was pathetic and embarrassing.

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