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post #31 of 45
3/22/07 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by LSeca View Post
V8 with a 8,300 rpm redline ! This is going to be one fun car to drive, if it comes with the 7-speed transmission the performance should be better than the M5/6.

Ah, nuts to that I want a DSG or let me row my own gears.

Jon.
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post #32 of 45
3/22/07 at 6:25pm
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Ah, nuts to that I want a DSG or let me row my own gears.

Jon.

Keep your fancy VW tranny. I'll take the Bavarian V8 with individual throttle bodies (Ferrari like throttle response), and spank you with an smg.


edit: I do think it will have an option of a manual tranny, like the M5 does.
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post #33 of 45
3/23/07 at 1:00pm
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Keep your fancy VW tranny. I'll take the Bavarian V8 with individual throttle bodies (Ferrari like throttle response), and spank you with an smg.


edit: I do think it will have an option of a manual tranny, like the M5 does.

If they cripple the M3 manual as they do the M5 manual, BMW could be in for a rude awakening. However, I do not believe they would do that. Just give me a 6-speed manual and the ability to turn off all the traction control completely, and I'll be happy.
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post #34 of 45
3/23/07 at 1:05pm
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If they cripple the M3 manual as they do the M5 manual, BMW could be in for a rude awakening. However, I do not believe they would do that. Just give me a 6-speed manual and the ability to turn off all the traction control completely, and I'll be happy.

They didn't cripple it, the 10 cylinder engine was engineered for the 7 speed tranny specifically. Throwing in an antiquated, although more fun to drive, 6 speed manual was an afterthought for traditionalists and it just doesn't work as well.
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post #35 of 45
3/23/07 at 1:52pm
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They didn't cripple it, the 10 cylinder engine was engineered for the 7 speed tranny specifically. Throwing in an antiquated, although more fun to drive, 6 speed manual was an afterthought for traditionalists and it just doesn't work as well.

I rather have the 6-speed than the POS SMG...seriously, I can't believe you would rather have the SMG over the DSG...

Jon.
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post #36 of 45
3/23/07 at 3:06pm
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I rather have the 6-speed than the POS SMG...seriously, I can't believe you would rather have the SMG over the DSG...

Jon.

I would rather have DSG, but BMW doesn't have it yet. On the other hand, a 7 speed smg is alot better than a 6 speed manual so I will take it. The extra gear is like adding another 100hp to the car...torque multiplication. This is what makes the 500hp, 4k pound M5 as fast as mid-engine Italian exotic cars with as much power and much lower weight. The 7th gear is huge as you keep the engine in the sweet part of the power band alot better.

By the way, my current M3 is a manual. I just happen to like all the newer technology coming out.
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post #37 of 45
3/23/07 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by LSeca View Post
I would rather have DSG, but BMW doesn't have it yet. On the other hand, a 7 speed smg is alot better than a 6 speed manual so I will take it. The extra gear is like adding another 100hp to the car...torque multiplication. This is what makes the 500hp, 4k pound M5 as fast as mid-engine Italian exotic cars with as much power and much lower weight. The 7th gear is huge as you keep the engine in the sweet part of the power band alot better.

By the way, my current M3 is a manual. I just happen to like all the newer technology coming out.

It is not like adding another 100hp. The extra gear is simply an overdrive gear that allows for slightly more aggressive ratios where it counts.

The new M3 should have some pretty crazy gear ratios considering the flat torque curve and the massively high rev-limit (think of the high revving, low torque F1 cars. same idea). If you can really wind the engine up, then you can use the gear ratios to your advantage. Also, if you can make some decent power down low, you win on both ends of the spectrum since you don't have to drive at 3500rpm around town. A major draw back, of course, is the fuel economy, but BMW seems to be pretty sensitive to this hot issue these days, so I wouldn't expect it to be any kind of deal breaker for those in the market.

All in all, I'd like to say that BMW actually seems to know what they are doing after a period of some questionable decisions.
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post #38 of 45
3/23/07 at 3:46pm
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It is not like adding another 100hp. The extra gear is simply an overdrive gear that allows for slightly more aggressive ratios where it counts.

Gearing across the board is more aggressive, it is not simply an overdrive gear. It is like adding hp to the car, the M5 is capable of doing things other cars half the weight with similair power can. Look at the performance numbers, it has Ferrari/Lambo type specs in a large 4dr sedan weighing in at 4k lbs. The 7 speed smg is the major reason. BMW released a manual at the request of traditionalists and the car doesn't put up near the same performance measures.
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post #39 of 45
3/23/07 at 9:44pm
I know what my next BMW is going to be.

It's not pretty, but give me the 8,300 rpm V8 with a stick and we'll call it a day.
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post #40 of 45
3/27/07 at 7:42am
You will have to resist the temptation to speed if you pick up a Beemer in Germany - and not only due to speed limits.

When I picked up my E46 in Germany, I found it difficult to not exceed BMW´s recommended RPMs in the first several hundred kilometers. So, we headed south to France and cruised through Burgundy and Dordogne/Lot. Slower but great!
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post #41 of 45
3/27/07 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by LSeca View Post
Gearing across the board is more aggressive, it is not simply an overdrive gear. It is like adding hp to the car, the M5 is capable of doing things other cars half the weight with similair power can. Look at the performance numbers, it has Ferrari/Lambo type specs in a large 4dr sedan weighing in at 4k lbs. The 7 speed smg is the major reason. BMW released a manual at the request of traditionalists and the car doesn't put up near the same performance measures.

When it comes to comparing cars, numbers for straight-aways aren't the only thing that matter. While the M5 might be as close as you can get to a Ferrari in sedan form, it is as good at cornering as a F430. Although, when the Panamera comes out, it's going to give the M5 a run for its money.

Jon.
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post #42 of 45
3/28/07 at 1:27am
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When it comes to comparing cars, numbers for straight-aways aren't the only thing that matter. While the M5 might be as close as you can get to a Ferrari in sedan form, it is as good at cornering as a F430. Although, when the Panamera comes out, it's going to give the M5 a run for its money.

Jon.

Look for yourself, "the ring" is the track in which all supercars are measured...lots of straights, lots of corners. The M5 sedan puts up better numbers than many higher powered sports cars.

http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Nurburgring
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post #43 of 45
3/29/07 at 8:36pm
This isn't directly related to a Bimmer in Munich, but someone was shipping a Lambo on FedEx out of Dulles on Monday. I was told by one of the ramp workers that it was going to Miami and came in on a flight from London- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...D/DSC_0196.jpg Thought this might be interest to someone on here JB
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post #44 of 45
3/30/07 at 1:28am
Unreal.
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post #45 of 45
3/30/07 at 4:28am
Yesterday I saw an Austin Healey being shipped. I like the '80s M series better.
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