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post #76 of 116
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Well, I see it more as a learning experience. People can talk about it and describe it, but feeling and living with CG or shell cordovan helps you distinguish the variances. I'm sure a lot of the CG haters have experienced CG in the past. This is my first time. Let me get a chance to hate it too... properly. 

post #77 of 116
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Imperial I - Dark Brown pull-up

Legacy IV - Cigar pull-up

 

The Legacy III is clearly not corrected grain. 

 

pretty sure the imperial i's are out of stock and the legacy iv has a lug sole where i want a dress sole.

 

the legacy iii was actually my first choice but they said theyre out of stock when i messaged them

 

 

 

these MTO dark brown horsebutt chromexcel look hnnng

post #78 of 116
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I don't know what to tell you. You can try to message Sagara, but I'm pretty sure you won't hear back from them until 2013 lol! In the mean time, you can save up for the shoes.

 

It'd be cool to buy Chromexcel from Maverick Leather and ship it to Sagara to make a pair haha. Then wait until 2014 to get them hahaha!

post #79 of 116

lol its not the matter of saving up but a matter of budget and if i feel theyre worth the cost.  im looking for a pair of full grain leather, cap toe, boots with a dress sole (with a micro rubber sole so i dont fall in the winter) for around $200.

 

ill let you guys know when the guy or sagara gets back to me about the MTO boots

post #80 of 116
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Don't hold your breath lol!

post #81 of 116

wow the pics in these 2 posts are hnnnng worthy

 

not sure how his imperial whiskeys are MTO but the second links is MTO for sure

http://www.darahkubiru.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6806&start=270#p728703

http://www.darahkubiru.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6806&start=270#p728807

post #82 of 116
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Nice find!

 

Why aren't you sure that the Imperial's are MTO?

post #83 of 116
Thanks biggrin.gif seriously want a pair like the horse butt pair I posted if the price is good with no stupid hidden/extra costs.

They look exactly like the whiskey calfskins you got. There doesn't seem to be anything MTO about them, unless the guy thought they made them for him after his order. I saw the MTO as a custom pair
post #84 of 116
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MTO doesn't always have to be custom. It's possible they were out of stock and the pair was made-to-order. 

 

Anyways, the Imperials have a custom modification. Instead of 4 round eyelets and 3 speed hooks, there are 5 round eyelets and only 2 speed hooks. I just noticed that. I don't notice anything else different though. These Indonesians probably pay the same price on their custom orders as we (International buyers) pay for regular ready-made shoes. What a shame.

post #85 of 116
So I finally got my boots. At first I was pretty disappointed - they seemed a bit too big and the rough-out leather didn't look as good as I wanted it to. They are very heavy and feel solid, however.

Then I applied a coat of Sno Seal and they turned this really nice chocolate brown and it subdued the nap some, and i wore them around some more and found they are great for cold weather with some extra socks on. Feels like I can really beat them up and trudge around in the snow. I like the way they look a lot too now, so I am pretty satisfied at this point! I don't have a camera at the moment, but I'll get some pics up eventually if you like.
post #86 of 116
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So I finally got my boots. At first I was pretty disappointed - they seemed a bit too big and the rough-out leather didn't look as good as I wanted it to. They are very heavy and feel solid, however.
Then I applied a coat of Sno Seal and they turned this really nice chocolate brown and it subdued the nap some, and i wore them around some more and found they are great for cold weather with some extra socks on. Feels like I can really beat them up and trudge around in the snow. I like the way they look a lot too now, so I am pretty satisfied at this point! I don't have a camera at the moment, but I'll get some pics up eventually if you like.

All's well that ends well!!
post #87 of 116
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Originally Posted by lioneironaut View Post

So I finally got my boots. At first I was pretty disappointed - they seemed a bit too big and the rough-out leather didn't look as good as I wanted it to. They are very heavy and feel solid, however.
Then I applied a coat of Sno Seal and they turned this really nice chocolate brown and it subdued the nap some, and i wore them around some more and found they are great for cold weather with some extra socks on. Feels like I can really beat them up and trudge around in the snow. I like the way they look a lot too now, so I am pretty satisfied at this point! I don't have a camera at the moment, but I'll get some pics up eventually if you like.

Finally! That took some time. I'd love to see the after photos. I didn't want to make a false judgement earlier, but I thought the rough-out would turn out to be cheap in look and feeling. I had bought some LWB from Chevalier of Indonesia and the nap felt super cheap and it started to blend w/ the broguing. If the nap gets really bad, my shoes wouldn't look like LWB with all the holes disappearing. Maybe I should treat it with something.

Anyways, I'm glad you like your purchase. I really want to see those after photos!

post #88 of 116

Interesting.. even though I'm from Indonesia, I've never heard of them... guess I should start looking around. Yes, I'm sure the craftmanship is there, as Indonesia's pretty popular with handicraft items. 

post #89 of 116

forgot to post this reply from them

 

 

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We set our price for MTO boots based on the construction and outsole configuration. 

This is the price list for domestic upper material.
  1. Goodyear welted w/ leather sole $250
  2. Goodyear welted w/ micro sole $250
  3. Goodyear welted w/ Commando sole $230
  4. Stitchdown Construction w/ Leather Sole $220
  5. Stitchdown Construction w/ Micro Sole $220
  6. Stitchdown Construction w/ Commando Sole $200
  7. Extra Vibram 2337half sole add $20 (the picture below)
The make up time is 24 - 30 working days.
 
About the different price between domestic and international customer, Indonesia have a different per capita income, we set our price at Rupiah (for domestic market) more lower than USD because I want my product to be a host, at our own country, beside we set it based on the buying power of my country is not as big as foreign country, so we give some subvention to Rupiah price. I hope you're understand with this matter :)
 
Thanks,
Bagus S
 

 

 
im pretty sure these are international prices though.  just read what stitch down is, LOL why would you even want that.

 

 

ahdaeeee can you message him about MTO and see what he responds with? since youre local.  i think its around $150-$200+leather costs

post #90 of 116
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It's actually a common practice for some third world countries to overcharge other countries. In my opinion, the practice doesn't create a positive image for their country. Something just feels so illegal about it. I feel that if this type of business practice were conducted privately in a western country, there would be legal consequences in doing so. 

 

 

 

Reminds me of this:

 

Despite the unfair practice, most foreigners still pay the foreigners price, because it's usually still a reasonable price to them.

 

Imagine a porterhouse steak dinner for $15 in a third world country. You're happy and satisfied, because in the US it could cost you doubled. However, you have this nasty after-taste to spit out once you realize that the price is actually $8... but not for your kind.

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