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Lego is going to make so much money from these new toys


Edited by Mulan - 10/19/15 at 10:06pm
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3d or no?

Imax or no?
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Got tickets with one of my best friends. Opening night at 10:30. Super hyped to see it, but damn those tickets were expensive. $38 for both.
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3d or no?

Imax or no?

Give me that traditional screen for at least the first viewing.
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The X-wing fights look absolutely amazing.

 

The massed fight scenes between the X-wings and TIE fighters do look good, but are (at the risk of sounding overly pedantic) a bit silly because, as far as I'm aware, TIE fighters aren't meant for atmospheric flight - they're only meant to be used in space. After all, look at them - how could they actually fly in atmosphere? 

 

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Very similar to A New Hope in that history gets wiped away in a generation - Luke having little knowledge of the Jedi, the Clone Wars, etc.

 

Yes, this is one of the things that has always irritated me about the Star Wars movies. 

 

I know that there are always going to be some people who are ignorant or sceptical, but it's pushing it a bit when you apparently have an order of "Jedi knights" who are the galaxy's police force and who have been around for centuries, and who are then virtually wiped out in a couple of days and then largely forgotten about in just one generation. What the?!?!

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@El Argentino if that was a real spoiler you posted on the last page and didn't tag go fix it. lame.
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Yes, this is one of the things that has always irritated me about the Star Wars movies. 

I know that there are always going to be some people who are ignorant or sceptical, but it's pushing it a bit when you apparently have an order of "Jedi knights" who are the galaxy's police force and who have been around for centuries, and who are then virtually wiped out in a couple of days and then largely forgotten about in just one generation. What the?!?!

If you go by the new movies there were maybe 2-300 of them in the whole galaxy. Galaxies tend to be pretty big.
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Very similar to A New Hope in that history gets wiped away in a generation - Luke having little knowledge of the Jedi, the Clone Wars, etc.

Luke had heard of the Clone Wars. He even acts surprised to hear that Obi One had fought in the battle. I don't believe he was skeptical of the Jedi either. That was Han.

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Yes, this is one of the things that has always irritated me about the Star Wars movies. 

I know that there are always going to be some people who are ignorant or skeptical, but it's pushing it a bit when you apparently have an order of "Jedi knights" who are the galaxy's police force and who have been around for centuries, and who are then virtually wiped out in a couple of days and then largely forgotten about in just one generation. What the?!?!

It was always problematic but could have easily been rectified had Lucas wrote the prequels correctly. Remember at the point of the original trilogy the timeline of the past had not been fully fleshed out. No one knew the size of the Jedi Order before Vader aided in exterminating them. Perhaps it could have been written that their numbers were already dwindling at the time of the Clone Wars. Their influence fading out. The galaxy is a large place and it would have made sense that younger generations wouldn't have a lot of knowledge of them if this was fact.

But Lucas didn't write that story. He unfortunately gave us the prequels we have now that seemed to care little about making sense of any type of continuity.

In regards to Episode 7, I have zero problem at the moment with that the trailer showed us. The Force is what is being presented in mystery. Not the Empire or the war. We don't know yet what happened post ROTJ. Did Luke establish a new Jedi order? If so, how many Jedi has he trained? What has their influence been? We simply don't know. So their is little reason to be concerned with two of the main characters not having in depth knowledge that the Dark Side and Jedi existed and perhaps seeing them as legends. After-all you only had Vader, the Emperor and Luke as Force users (ignoring Yoda) by the time of ROTJ and only Luke made it out alive. One single Jedi in the whole galaxy.
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@El Argentino if that was a real spoiler you posted on the last page and didn't tag go fix it. lame.

No, not a real spoiler. Just my first thought.

I don't find the "history wiped away" concept overly reaching. When Qui-gonn arrived on Tatooine, Anakin was impressed at seeing an actual Jedi. I don't think it was a "1 Jedi per planet" sort of situation. So sure, on Coruscant you probably still have people whispering about the Jedi during the Emperor's reign, but you get to the Outer Rim and none of that matters. It's all hearsay.

I mean, it's hard enough on earth to process everything going on, everywhere, all the time. Imagine having to account for thousands of systems. I would not want to dive into that 24-news-network.

Plus, you have the Empire cracking down, assumedly, on history and eliminating the fact that certain anti-empire groups existed. We see this plainly enough throughout our history. Heavy hand is heavy enough.

And for most people, then, just how dramatic was the transition from Republic to Empire? I'd be willing to bet many didn't even blink - they just considered it the same entity. "Democracy" was put in the pocket, and suddenly the (few) Jedi were gone. For the majority of people, never even having likely known of the Jedi, the fact that they go from a limited order down to none is negligible.
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Luke had heard of the Clone Wars. He even acts surprised to hear that Obi One had fought in the battle. I don't believe he was skeptical of the Jedi either. That was Han.

If Luke has heard of them he doesn't really show it. He definitely doesn't know what the lightsaber or the force are as he asks about them to cue the exposition.
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Nice to know that Han is never getting rid of his jacket.

Still working on his fadez.
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We´re talking about a Universe... "news" have to spread across this Universe, so it seems plausible that lots of people might have never heard of something that happen in a distant planet solar system or galaxy. 

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If Luke has heard of them he doesn't really show it. He definitely doesn't know what the lightsaber or the force are as he asks about them to cue the exposition.

I'll need to re-watch that part. You are likely right on the Jedi. Main thing I remember clearly is his surprise about Obi-Wan having fought in the Clone Wars.

"No, my father didn't fight in the wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter."
"That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals...thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved."
"YOU fought in the Clone Wars?"
"Yes, I was once a Jedi Knight. The same as your father."

If anything this backs up my statements earlier. The galaxy remembers well the great battles. What is hazy to many are the force and Jedi.
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Also I hope the meaning behind Han being the one to tell them that the Dark Side and Jedi were real doesn't escape anyone here. After-all he was the most skeptical one in ANH.
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Also I hope the meaning behind Han being the one to tell them that the Dark Side and Jedi were real doesn't escape anyone here. After-all he was the most skeptical one in ANH.

Right - this was actually the most emotionally poignant part of the whole thing for me.
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