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@Jr Mouse perhaps The Force Awakens should have been a vaguely political thriller, in the sense that Captain America: The Winter Soldier was. A film that steered midway between the original and prequel trilogies in tone could well have been more interesting than a throwback to A New Hope.

 

I also have a suspicion that there's a very good explanation of why the Falcon and Rey happened to be in the same neck of the woods desert. My guess is:

 

  • Rey is a Skywalker, possibly Kylo's younger sister.
  • She was brought to Jakku on the Falcon, which either broke down (not a great stretch of the imagination) or left there because she's an easily recognisable and trackable ship.
  • There's been some sort of Jedi mind trick to make her, Leia and Han forget what happened. This explains why Han and Chewie didn't check out the right bit of Jakku where the Falcon was parked.
  • This was probably done after Kylo went full Sith, and the chances are whoever was meant to pick her up met a somewhat sticky end.

 

If I'm right, then that'll be a nice payoff in Episode VII or IX. If not, well, a nice fan theory.

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This was your exact quote:
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Actually, what was more offensive to me was the fact that a ship, regularly maintained by Han and Chewy yet barely able to take off in the previous trilogy, was somehow in perfect working order after having sat idle for years.

A lot of the confusion could have been avoided with some creative character development of Rey... Like she worked for the owner of the ship and therefore maintained it and knew how to fly it, or something.

She did work for/bartered with the owner. The film showed her going to him twice and she references going to him in the past. It's her thing and selling what she scavenges to him is her work.

I'll freely give you that I should have worded it like I did in my original reply and stated that she "probably" did maintenance work on the MF because of the relationship she had with the owner. So yes "derp derp" for that on my end. Even without that aspect, the film still set up how she had access to the ship and could be familiar with it due to the nature of the work she did to survive.

As for her being able to fly the MF, she states in the film she's a pilot. That should be good enough. After all we took Luke's word for the same in ANH when he was able to fly a military aircraft at the end of the film with no training. Why have higher standards for Rey?
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Doesn't Rey actually say she talked with the guy who had it and told him she didn't think his modifications were a good idea? It's clearly implied that she worked for him, probably on the ship.

There are a million things wrong with the movie, but the girl who strips ships for parts knowing how to fix them isn't one of them. Her being a pilot on the other hand, well, whatever.

Or how about Finn? If he's supposed to be a stormtrooper, why doens't he ever act like one? Why is he insecure, full of jokes that sound like they came from another movie? Why doesn't he say, by the way, instead of this stupid map, there's a third death star? For that matter, why does anyone care about Luke when they're fixin' to start blowing up planets again?
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How about "Princess Leia's got a posse"?


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Or how about Finn? If he's supposed to be a stormtrooper, why doens't he ever act like one? Why is he insecure, full of jokes that sound like they came from another movie? Why doesn't he say, by the way, instead of this stupid map, there's a third death star? For that matter, why does anyone care about Luke when they're fixin' to start blowing up planets again?


The humanizing of the stormtroppers/bad guys has potential to be one of the more interesting directions the new films will take. It all depends on if they continue this in future films or we go back to them being general cannon fodder.
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Or how about Finn? If he's supposed to be a stormtrooper, why doens't he ever act like one? Why is he insecure, full of jokes that sound like they came from another movie? Why doesn't he say, by the way, instead of this stupid map, there's a third death star? For that matter, why does anyone care about Luke when they're fixin' to start blowing up planets again?

This is the part that I really don't understand.  There is a splinter of the old Empire.  They are building a PLANET SIZED WEAPON.  It's clear that the Resistance has spies within the First Order (Poe implies as much when he asks Finn whether he is Resistance).  Even if they don't imply that, you'd expect that they would and/or that the Resistance, since they were the people who fought the Empire, would be keenly interested in the goings on of, you know, the remnants of their enemies.  How could they not know what the Death ... Starkiller was supposed to do, and how close it was to completion?

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I agree LA Guy. The film could have done a much better job of explaining these types of mechanics. It's related to the point Graemsay made earlier about the film almost purposely avoiding getting into the geopolitical landscape. Reasoning behind that could have been tucked nicely into a little exposition in this regards.
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I am happy with the political stuff being left in the background and not really explained. It doesn't matter much. If there is going to be any political-type intrigue, it is better left to will she or won't she turn to the Dark Side of The Force than whether or not the Resistance spent operatives into the uncharted regions after the remnants of the Empire to spy on the First Order. The movie is more fun as a swashbuckler where all we have to know is who is on what side.
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But we want trade negotiations!
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There are a million things wrong with the movie, but the girl who strips ships for parts knowing how to fix them isn't one of them.

The point of my argument was that I probably shouldn't have been held up as an example of misinterpreting plot points when Jr M. misinterpreted Rey having maintained the Falcon.

And maybe it wasn't a big deal to everyone, but the scene where the MF is struggling and Rey pulls out a little PCB board with wires hanging off it ("There, I fixed it!") was a big eye-rolling moment for me.
post #2051 of 2965
Was Coruscant blown up in this movie? Remember when a bunch of planets got exploded? I was in disbelief that the jedi temple and the senate were destroyed. Did I misinterpret that?
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But we want trade negotiations!


I enjoyed the politics in the first series. The politics laid the groundwork for Palpatine's genius. He pulled off an incredible coup, culminating in Order 66.
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Was Coruscant blown up in this movie? Remember when a bunch of planets got exploded? I was in disbelief that the jedi temple and the senate were destroyed. Did I misinterpret that?

Apparently it wasn't Coruscant, but some new made-up important place called Hostian Prime, or something to that effect. Again, not very clearly communicated.
post #2054 of 2965
I agree that the politics weren't important, just like "realism" wasn't super important, but it shouldn't be so terrible as to be distracting. And it was--we have no idea of the relative means of the various parties to the conflict, the planets which are destroyed are all cartoonishly close to each other (but we know nothing at all about them), suddenly ships in hyperspace can fly through things when the plot demands it, lasers travel across the galaxy instantly, the planet sized weapon comes out of nowhere, the bad guys know where the secret rebel base is because they followed a recon ship back to it (!) but during the battle the base has instantaneous communication with the fighters.

The new Star Trek movies were littered with these awful absurdities. It seems to be a pattern.
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Ah ok. Love you too but you keep avoiding any attempt to back your words up and are making broad generalizations. You are better this this man. I've put more then enough effort into doing so on my own behalf. How many times are you going to sidestep backing your statements up?

Also seriously? If you think all I'll replied to others with is "it will be explained in future episodes" and haven't presented numerous examples of things others got blatenly wrong from this very film, then you are either lying or haven't bothered to follow the thread.
No, you've totally pointed out where others got things wrong or missed things. Credit there. But the fact that lots of people, perhaps the majority, are clueless isn't inconsistent with the storytelling also being weak in places. That's the point I've been making all along. Much of this is subjective, of course. But it's not like the only two possible answers are "it's perfect film-making" or "it's the worst movie ever".
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