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Remember, this is a trilogy not just a movie. JJ already said that her role will be more prominent in Episode 8...

 

I wana see her wrestle with Rey Rey in a slave outfit.

post #1637 of 2848
Ok, so since the movie came out I have not read anything about it, and have even avoided being social with a few friends just to avoid spoilers, and also general opinion of the movie. I just watched the movie. Here are a few random thoughts:

Ray is too good at everything. It was ridiculous how her Jedi mind tricks worked on her second attempt ever, she could pilot a ship the way she did, and she was correcting Han Solo on the mechanics of the millennium falcon. Kylo Ren was unexpectedly good. His fits of rage added a lot. He also had a great voice, and his composure really made him feel like an amateur villain, which is what he was, and what he hated about himself. Not that this has anything to do with Star Wars, but if that actor really wants work outside of Star Wars he desperately needs to undergo that ear pinning surgery. His ears stick out way too much. If I had a child with ears like that Id get them surgery as soon as they were old enough.

The humor in the movie was good. I loved the storm troopers walking away from Kylo's temper tantrum, and Finn saying "We'll use the force!" and Han Solo saying "That's not how the force works." Before the movie was out, the C3PO actor said the red arm would be explained in the movie. It never was. Also, C3PO was not shiny, he was matte. Finn had his parts but he is no hero. I hope he isn't the main character of this trilogy.

The movie just looked like Star Wars. When I saw Episode 1 everything was sleek, shiny, and colorful. As that trilogy went on things got darker, but things were still sleek and shiny. This movie very much looked like Star Wars from the clothing, to the ships, to the aliens, everything. The movie also has that really magical swashbuckling quality. All of the characters are just pulled into adventure, even the older ones. I thought seeing Harrison Ford so old would be strange. Some of his delivery was bad, but overall I thought he added to the movie.
post #1638 of 2848
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If not posted already: SPOILERS.

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/star-wars-and-decadence

Did he just call Max von Sydow a British actor??

Apart from that, I pretty much agree...
post #1639 of 2848
They could have showed Cap Phasma doing something "cool" at least. All we got was some forgettable dialogue. With Boba Fett, at least dude looked and sounded menacing....
post #1640 of 2848
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Well stated comment on the film I thought I would share:

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I've seen "The Force Awakens" twice. I think it's an earnest film and Abrams was successful in that, he delivered a film as he intended that was "delightful." There were genuinely earnest and delightful moments, very Star Warsian moments. The film isn't critique proof of course, it has derivative elements I would say are indicative of ANY Star Wars film after Star Wars '77. You've got your obligatory saber battle, etc. There's certain expectations associated with Star Wars films and what people are confusing as a checklist or laundry list of "here comes that part" I think are merely par for the course for Star Wars films. It's the seventh iteration of the Star Wars "brand" and concept , it's actually amazing the films CAN bring something new to the table considering that. It's not a fair assessment to say "The Force Awakens" is a carbon copy of "A New Hope." That's disingenuous. There were the basic story beats, that I would say are more indicative of a first chapter in a Star Wars trilogy, akin to "The Phantom Menace" and "A New Hope", but far enough deviations to be it's own film. It's the characters and the actors that are truly the gems of "The Force Awakens." They more than justify a trilogy and it will be interesting to see where these new characters go and their adventures. I saw alot of subtle references to classics in "The Force Awakens." From "Raiders of the Lost Ark " to Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" with the feral children and Bartertown, it's obvious Abrams, like Lucas, referenced many classics in the film. Where I think the film is truly successful is a fun night at the movies, characters to discuss, and wondering where the "Saga" goes from there, and thats all Star wars films have ever been, since 1977.
post #1641 of 2848
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We didn't see Hux or any of the other First Order escape either. Are we to assume they all died? What about Kylo Ren? I don't remember a scene in the film showing him being rescued. How much time did a rescue squad have to locate him, place him on board and reach a level of altitude to not be destroyed by the blast of the planet exploding anyways? Sometimes the makers of films just put faith in the audience that they can accept major plot points like this happen.

Regarding Poe, what's so implausible that he was thrown from the Tie Fighter and survived? We saw that happen with Finn, so why not Poe? I honestly don't understand why some of you are getting hung up on this and seem to want plot spoon fed to you visually without being able to go with the fact that it happened off screen.

It's not at all implausible in the Star Wars universe.  That's not the problem.  The problem is that a pivotal plot point (Poe escaping the clutches of the First Order) is taken halfway, and then we leave it completely.  It's as if the escape of the Millenium Falcon from the Star Destroyer in ANH was abruptly cut from the Ben Kenobi skulking around, to the Falcon landing on the Rebel base, and then we are told. "Oh, right, Ben Kenobi died, but we managed to get off the Star Destroyer.  It was dicey for a moment." then yes, that would be a huge WTF moment.  Yes, in the SW universe, more implausible things could have happened in the meantime, off stage, but they are not part of the narrative unfolding onscreen.  The first stanza of the movie deals with two things: 1) Finn defecting, 2) Poe being captured and then escaping.  The second is given zero resolution other than "Oh yeah, he lived".

 

Darth Vader being spun out into space, that was the conclusion of that particular action, at the end of ANH.  Same goes with Captain Phasma's summarily being toss into a trash compactor.  That action, we rightly assumed, occurs off stage in BETWEEN movies.  If either had happened at the beginning of the movie, and been big parts of the plot, and then the characters appear again during the same movie, with a throwaway line of dialogue, then yes, that too would have been bad storytelling.  

post #1642 of 2848
Honestly, that's silly. Finn is one of the protagonists of the movie. Thinking Poe is dead helps the audience experience what he's feeling at the time.

That being said I wish they'd have let him die. Watching him shoot down 10 tie fighters over the course of 30 seconds or so was one of the stupidest moments in the movie (and that's saying something).
post #1643 of 2848
Watched it again. Really not bothered by the Finn and Ren fight.

Seemed pretty clear that despite his injuries, Ren was toying with him. At one point he is just walking along, not in fighting stance, casually swinging his lightsaber with only one hand to beat away Finn's blows. His cockiness (gets that from his father I guess) is the only reason Finn manages to nick him in the arm. That injury makes him mad and he soon dispatches Finn and leaves him for dead.

Also noticed something about the twirly-weapon anti-lightsaber stormtrooper. When he sees Finn, he casts aside a riot shield and some other weapon (not sure if it was a blaster or some sort stun baton). So it seems like he was equipped for some level of melee combat unlike a normal storm trooper.
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Am I the only guy who wants to see the Stormtrooper who cock-blocked the lightsaber by calling our hero a "traitor", to be given more screen time for the next movies?  

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As a rotting corpse?
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As a rotting corpse?

Pretty sure Vader took that credit hours after his body was burnt in ROTJ.

post #1647 of 2848
Never mention "Phantom Menance" and "A New Hope" in the same sentence. That's blasphemy..
post #1648 of 2848
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Am I the only guy who wants to see the Stormtrooper who cock-blocked the lightsaber by calling our hero a "traitor", to be given more screen time for the next movies?  

That really should have been Captain Phasma. It would have given her a really cool scene and set her up much better for the rest of the trilogy.

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Pretty sure Vader took that credit hours after his body was burnt in ROTJ.


Am I the only one who picked up on the fact that:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
When Kylo set his helmet down in that room the small pile of ashes he placed it on might have been gathered from where Vader was burned?
post #1649 of 2848
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Interesting concept art for TFA reveals what might have been:
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In a new The Force Awakens coffee table book, artist Iain McCaig explains:

When you light a candle, you also cast a shadow.’ That inspired me to propose, for the first time, that Anakin’s ghost could come back […] If we see Anakin Skywalker, because he does flow back and forth between Darth Vader and Anakin, let’s see him as a character with a dark and light side. The reason Luke is this whole new entity is because he was the first to acknowledge his own dark side — that it was not separate from him.”





http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-the-force-awakens-how-hayden-christensen-s-anakin-skywalker-was-going-to-be-in-the-sequel-a6787416.html


It's an interesting concept. Even in death Anakin might still be struggling with the dark side, but I am glad it stayed out of this film. There really wasn't a place for it and Disney was rightfully keen to distance themselves from the Prequels. As said in the link above, only Ewan McGregor’s Obi-Wan Kenobi made a brief appearance in voice only to Rey.

It's been pointed out that early concept art for SW has a tendency to make it into future films. So be open to the possibility this may happen in a future installment of the franchise.
post #1650 of 2848
Rey Kenobi. Book it!
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