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post #1141 of 2848
My dad's most frequently-recounted memory of the original was how organically the hype built up. Apparently it came out of nowhere and all of a sudden was "the thing." Anytime we talk about the "magic" of Ep.IV, he always goes back to sitting in a dark theater, having the scroll go by, and then watching Leia's ship zoom overhead.

And then the Star Destroyer enters the frame.

And keeps going.

And keeps going.

And keeps going.

He said from that opening shot, he was absolutely hooked.

I don't think TFA will live up to "the hype" because of how genuinely, non-organically it's been built up. If not for nostalgia, upon seeing the trailers, would anybody be realistically thrilled about this movie? (having recently watched the original EpIV trailers on youtube, I'm not sure anyone would've bought into those trailers much either though...)

Then, you have the pre-VHS nature of movies. If you wanted to see the hype, you had to go to the theatre. Then SW disappears for almost four years, and suddenly you can see Empire in theaters (blowing everyone's mind when "Episode V" first crawls across the screen). It became a frenzy b/c there was no way to see it unless you saw it en masse in a theatre with a ton of other fans. You were all on the ride together. I don't think that sense of "communal participation" will pervade so much here with the propsects of netflix, illegal streaming, etc. readily available from basically the get-go.

I think this will be an above-average popcorn movie, rehashing tropes, characters, motifs, and themes that an older generation fondly remembers. I don't think it will capture the imagination of youth the way it did in the 70s and 80s. There's too much "similar" available to kids to stimulate them - not the least of which video game consoles that can pump out a frenetic space battle easily, and have you in the driver's seat. Thus, I think the favorable comparison to Star Trek (2009) is proper. It'll be about the same, but perhaps less of a departure from the original subject matter.
post #1142 of 2848
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Super 8 is a lot of fun. It feels like a call back to the 80's when we got films of kids going off on adventures. I rather liked it. Star Trek (2009) is excellent and J.J. directed the best of the Mission Impossible films.

False. First Mission Impossible is the best Mission Impossible.
post #1143 of 2848

Agree with Kaplan pretty much. More spoilerfree thoughts:

 

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Same as Kaplan, I found it a little too fast. There are some truly beautiful landscapes and sets, which feel very Star Wars, but there almost isn't time to dwell on them. Needed a few quiet moments with the characters, the landscapes and John Williams' incredible music - which btw. didn't come to the front as much as in the previous movies. I thought that was a shame. It would've done a lot to cut a few action sequences and just rest a bit - a few minutes is all; I don't understand how directors/movie makers so often miss this.

Besides that, it's pretty great. Fun. Rey is a simple character, but my favourite. She doesn't have to be more than that. Daisy did really great. Kylo Ren is good, too. Just a few moments which were edited/filmed in a way which made his character slightly comical, which I found so misplaced.

Overall, The Force Awakens sets the stage nicely. I liked it a lot despite these issues and I want to watch it again for sure! You can't help but love the space battles and stormtroopers and aliens. I hope the next movie will make space for the imagination a bit more. I think Rey's training in the next movie could allow for this; after all, meditation is a part of the path to becoming a jedi!
post #1144 of 2848
Though it's probably banal by comparison to some of the prior posts, I'd add the observation that the "Star Wars universe" was created for Star Wars, the movie. They could choose what to show or what not to show, what to explain and what to gloss over. It's a lot easier for something to be "magical" when you're not asked or invited to take a close look at it. I almost hate to do it, but compare the original Hunger Games to the third one, whatever it's called. The absurdity of the setting doesn't hurt the original, much, but the third can't escape it.
post #1145 of 2848
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Though it's probably banal by comparison to some of the prior posts, I'd add the observation that the "Star Wars universe" was created for Star Wars, the movie. They could choose what to show or what not to show, what to explain and what to gloss over. It's a lot easier for something to be "magical" when you're not asked or invited to take a close look at it. I almost hate to do it, but compare the original Hunger Games to the third one, whatever it's called. The absurdity of the setting doesn't hurt the original, much, but the third can't escape it.
That's a good point. The more you explicate and make concrete, the greater the danger of internal inconsistencies or other missteps.
post #1146 of 2848
Pretty much what LD and ElA said.

I don't think they will be bad. And just like the bond movies, as long as they stay above like a 6/10, I will probably happily continue to see them in theaters rather than at home***, but I think the magic will be gone. These won't even be like people my age or younger waiting for the last couple Harry Potter books or people waiting for GRRM to finish Game of Thrones (where, even though the material has fallen off in quality, people are still anxiously awaiting the next book). It will be "oh cool, another star wars is out, lets go see it", rather than "holy shit did you hear that they decided to make more star wars, they just started working a script for release in 3 years!!!!!omg!!!"

***though I should note that my Original Trilogy marathon this past weekend has started to change my mind on that. With the new TV upscaling to 4k (obviously not actually adding detail, but giving a more uniform, film projector-like appearance than bigger 1080p pixels), and the surround sound+subwoofer turned on...the beautifully mastered Despecialized Editions were awesome to watch. I don't think I have seen the OT in years. Possibly never seen the entire thing at home on anything except VHS (though I did see the special editions in theaters). I still want to go see the new tarantino film in 70mm, but compared to digital projection at a modern theater, this was a pretty good alternative.
post #1147 of 2848
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Though it's probably banal by comparison to some of the prior posts, I'd add the observation that the "Star Wars universe" was created for Star Wars, the movie. They could choose what to show or what not to show, what to explain and what to gloss over. It's a lot easier for something to be "magical" when you're not asked or invited to take a close look at it. I almost hate to do it, but compare the original Hunger Games to the third one, whatever it's called. The absurdity of the setting doesn't hurt the original, much, but the third can't escape it.

That's true.

And I think it is part of what led to the general shittyness of the prequels (and is hopefully a little more escapable with sequels). Trying to cram familiar characters like R2D2 in there is tough when the movies are set a generation earlier but you somehow have to explain how everything ends up falling into place for the following movies since they are already done and immutable (well, only semi-immutable in the eyes of Lucas).

At least going in to the sequels, you only have a history laid out and you can let the future flow as you need for the story.

To the hunger games analogy, while it is not quite a prequel, the later book/movies have a similar effect. In the beginning, you are free to imagine whatever conditions in the world would lead to the Hunger Games taking place. All you see of the capital is a big party they are throwing for the event. By the end of the series, you've had to have the capital made explicit. You have to see and believe how all of these people just go along with the Hunger Games and the mechanics of everything have to be made explicit.
Just like in the OT, you only get some references to the old republic and see the outskirts of the world. In the prequels, they are showing you the capital planets and the bureaucracy that is only hinted at in the OT, and predictably, the end result is not really believable.
post #1148 of 2848
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I'll post much more on it this afternoon, but I have shared my thoughts in this thread in the past that playing off nostalgia is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact in this case it's what Disney needs to reconnect with the older audience who grew up with the OT.

FWIW I was born in 1977 and joke with friends that I was a Star Wars baby. It was very much part of my childhood from the toys to the bedsheets I had and themed underoos. I don't have any children of my own but my sister recently had her first boy. I'm very much looking forward to connecting him with the same love of the OT and (hopefully) ST in the years to come.
post #1149 of 2848
I dared to read into a few of the "positive" reviews, and they are all actually very ambivalent or even negative. One wonders whether the review aggregators are in Disney's pocket.
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They basically describe the movie as being bland and predictable, just a competently executed 2000s era action/superhero movie set in the Star Wars universe.
post #1150 of 2848
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I dared to read into a few of the "positive" reviews, and they are all actually very ambivalent or even negative. One wonders whether the review aggregators are in Disney's pocket. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
They basically describe the movie as being bland and predictable, just a competently executed 2000s era action/superhero movie set in the Star Wars universe.

 

 

A paranoid view of the world, you have.

post #1151 of 2848

and now back to our scheduled geek-fest
post #1152 of 2848

^^ Not really. Once average critics discovered that a positive review of a shitty movie ensured their names would be up in lights (or in the case, ink) most have been sucking at the teat of the studios.

 

Yes, the film watching experience was much better before tape, digital and streaming. And Michael Bay. As was television before the remote and music before the ability to easily skip a track. 

 

Now the only movies I enjoy watching at the cinema are the small quiet ones (Blue Ruin, Her, Room) because they are the only ones that come close to replicating the old feeling of cinema magic.

 

I'll see this movie in a few weeks despite knowing that it will be a pretty awful experience.

 

lefty

post #1153 of 2848
Thread Starter 
It's humorous because Ataturk is the guy who spends a large amount of time in CE bitching about the lamestream media quote mining and providing bad interpretations of others to fulfill a narrative. Guess that's ok when the topic is a director you don't like.
post #1154 of 2848
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It's humorous because Ataturk is the guy who spends a large amount of time in CE bitching about the lamestream media quote mining and providing bad interpretations of others to fulfill a narrative. Guess that's ok when the topic is a director you don't like.

Quote mining and bad interpretations seems to be your game in supporting the media narrative of the movie as a success. Certainly there's nothing inconsistent about me taking the opposite position.

Incidentally the independent folks posting spoiler free reviews here are falling on my side, not yours. Guess we'll have to wait to see the movie to really settle the argument.
post #1155 of 2848
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Guess we'll have to wait to see the movie to really settle the argument.

Yes, the fact that you'll each have your own subjective experience of watching the same movie will undoubtedly resolve all disagreements. smile.gif
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