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post #31 of 143
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

Interesting information for those considering a Surface RT. Apparently the OS and system files take up 16 gigs of storage. So if you buy the 32 gig version, you only have half that to work with.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/5/3603652/microsoft-surface-windows-rt-disk-space

That doesn't sound right. There's actually a version of Windows 8 slated to work on a thumb drive.
post #32 of 143
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How about these alternative tablet/ultrabooks on the market? Lenovo Yoga? Others?
post #33 of 143
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That doesn't sound right. There's actually a version of Windows 8 slated to work on a thumb drive.


It's been verified from a number of sources. Keep in mind that it includes the Office programs that RT has in desktop mode.

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How about these alternative tablet/ultrabooks on the market? Lenovo Yoga? Others?


Yoga's getting OK reviews. Not sure I would jump on it. Touch input needs work.
post #34 of 143
I am waiting for Win 8 Pro Surface, RT without the classical mode just doesn't work for me as a true laptop replacement.
post #35 of 143
Fairly scathing review of the Surface RT: http://techcrunch.com/2012/11/19/i-got-one-but-i-dont-get-it/

Still need to try one out myself, but I am honestly thinking that the inclusion of desktop mode was MS' key mistake here.
post #36 of 143

I just got one. If your needs for it on a computer basis are simple(Microsoft office, browsing the web, etc) then I would totally recommend it. But it doesn’t seem that Microsoft RT is capable of running any of the other old programs I used to play around with(like windows movie maker). I’ve only had a couple days to play around with it so far though so maybe there’s a way to get around that.

post #37 of 143
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I just got one. If your needs for it on a computer basis are simple(Microsoft office, browsing the web, etc) then I would totally recommend it. But it doesn’t seem that Microsoft RT is capable of running any of the other old programs I used to play around with(like windows movie maker). I’ve only had a couple days to play around with it so far though so maybe there’s a way to get around that.



Perfect example of how MS has fucked this launch up. There is no work around and never will be. Surface RT doesn't run the regular Windows 8 OS and has an ARM chip-set inside. They made a decision to launch a product that on it's surface (pun!) looks the exact same as their core product, but is different animal. The failing has been in not effectively communicating this to the public. How many buyers of the Surface RT got home to be disappointed when they discovered the thing can't run any of their old Windows software? I'm willing to bet it's a sizable number.
post #38 of 143
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

Perfect example of how MS has fucked this launch up. There is no work around and never will be. Surface RT doesn't run the regular Windows 8 OS and has an ARM chip-set inside. They made a decision to launch a product that on it's surface (pun!) looks the exact same as their core product, but is different animal. The failing has been in not effectively communicating this to the public. How many buyers of the Surface RT got home to be disappointed when they discovered the thing can't run any of their old Windows software? I'm willing to bet it's a sizable number.

The fuck up was the switch to a UI designed for children. It looks ridiculous. As a person who uses a computer for business I can't possibly see myself using a device with candy coloured images. It's absolutely stupefying why they are cutting out business people for their latest product.

I will not be buying anything with Windows 8, certainly not a laptop or desktop. If Windows wants to go the way of marketing their products to children then so be it, I'll move over to linux.
post #39 of 143
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

The fuck up was the switch to a UI designed for children.

Works for Apple...
post #40 of 143
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Originally Posted by texas_jack View Post

Works for Apple...

Apple's is not nearly so childlike. And Apple is not used by the vast majority of business people. I'm not talking about a product that will be a hit with college coeds, I'm talking about the operating system used by your accountant or your lawyer. They are not going to use this abomination. Microsoft has never been as popular with the kids as Apple has been, and they're free to move in that area but they are abandoning the people who currently use their product. Microsoft is going to lose its user base over this.

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Mountain Lion is clear and simple. Windows 8 is a fucking jigsaw puzzle for kids with ADHD.
post #41 of 143
This makes me happy. Hopefully it will translate into more sales for Apple and subsequently a higher share price.
post #42 of 143
I have this as well and I like it. The tablet features are whatever but I setup the remote desktop feature and can access my work desktop through a VPN. I dont use a laptop at the office but being able to use all my calendars and applications that are set up on my desktop works great for me. I also set it up at my house with an HDMI cable to my TV then use a wireless Mouse and Keyboard so it works great while working on my couch. Could take or leave the apps, etc and the touch screen isn't nearly as good as my ipad but for what I need it for it works great. Small and versatile enough
post #43 of 143
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post


Perfect example of how MS has fucked this launch up. There is no work around and never will be. Surface RT doesn't run the regular Windows 8 OS and has an ARM chip-set inside. They made a decision to launch a product that on it's surface (pun!) looks the exact same as their core product, but is different animal. The failing has been in not effectively communicating this to the public. How many buyers of the Surface RT got home to be disappointed when they discovered the thing can't run any of their old Windows software? I'm willing to bet it's a sizable number.

Agreed. On the other hand: for students looking for a relatively cheap alternative to a laptop for classes it would be sufficient.

post #44 of 143
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Originally Posted by harvey_birdman View Post

Apple's is not nearly so childlike. And Apple is not used by the vast majority of business people. I'm not talking about a product that will be a hit with college coeds, I'm talking about the operating system used by your accountant or your lawyer. They are not going to use this abomination. Microsoft has never been as popular with the kids as Apple has been, and they're free to move in that area but they are abandoning the people who currently use their product. Microsoft is going to lose its user base over this.
EDIT -
Compare -

vs.

Mountain Lion is clear and simple. Windows 8 is a fucking jigsaw puzzle for kids with ADHD.

nod[1].gif Yes.

I just bought a new Windows 7 machine, while I still can.
post #45 of 143
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

Perfect example of how MS has fucked this launch up. There is no work around and never will be. Surface RT doesn't run the regular Windows 8 OS and has an ARM chip-set inside. They made a decision to launch a product that on it's surface (pun!) looks the exact same as their core product, but is different animal. The failing has been in not effectively communicating this to the public. How many buyers of the Surface RT got home to be disappointed when they discovered the thing can't run any of their old Windows software? I'm willing to bet it's a sizable number.

I think it could/should be communicated better, but overall I disagree that the people that actually buy the product will care much. Most people are going to buy it at a MS store after playing with it for a while. You don't use the surface the way you'd use a regular computer. What does joe public use their computer for? Internet, email, and facebook are probably the big three. Doing stuff in MS office is probably up there as is watching/listening to music and video and gaming. What applications does the average person use outside of what I just enumerated? Not much these days and for everything I just listed you'll want to stay in the metro environment because it's far superior on a tablet to the desktop with Office being the obvious exception.

I don't think it's a perfect product or a perfect launch, but it runs on a new architecture and none of that old stuff would run no matter what MS did short of providing an emulation environment which would destroy the battery/cpu. And even if you could run it, it would be a shitty experience on a 10.6" tablet.

Pretty soon the Surface Pro will be out and I suspect that at that time, it will become much clearer that if you want to run your old stuff, get a pro, and if you want to keep your tablet experience more pure, stick with RT. This will happen and people will be made aware of it because they will be side by side in the MS store and people will naturally ask what the difference is and the MS employees will answer them.

So ya... 3 months of confusion, but in the grand scheme of things I really don't think it's a big deal. The Surface will do well. I've had a couple people that use nothing but macs come up to me and tell me they were really impressed with it.
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