Originally Posted by LaymanX
What I think is dead...
- Super slim fit anything
- High water trousers
- Bright chinos with darker contrasting tops
- Skinny lapels
- Wearing dress shoes without socks (gag)
What I want to be dead...
- Fair isle anything
- Low rise pants
- Dress boots
- Quilted jackets
- Knit ties
I agree with all of these, esp. dress boots (for the love of god, is this the 1890s? Dress boot lust is SF's version of Steampunk), with the exception of the knit ties, which I agree are frivolous in 95% of cases. But a pointed dark colored one can work on occasion.
Originally Posted by Christopher Essex
I think the difference between hipsters and SF-ers is that hipsters celebrate non-conformity, but are the epitome of conformity because of it (but would deny that fact).
SF-ers are happily conforming to a set of rules (generally...I speak not of those that deliberately throw out rules that don't suit them - I suspect they are closet hipsters), but like to throw a bit of individuality into those rules (perhaps a small bit of sprezzatura or some other thing to set them ever-so-slightly apart from the baseline rule book.
I love systems. But seriously, don't you think most posters probably cluster higher on the OCD spectrum than the average person? Even the procedures of posting, quoting, multi-quoting, sifting through photographs, etc., are so recondite that they essentially filter out the non-OCD crowd. I think this is why almost all BBSes (regardless of subject matter) seem so blood-curdlingly nerdy and hierarchical.
As for rules - broadly speaking, the most cutting-edge fashion designers are often the ones with a complete, inside-out knowledge of clothing history and sewing/tailoring; the most avant-garde pianists have their classical chops; Picasso could, of course, draw. You have to know what a wheel is before you set about reinventing it. In many senses SF is a finishing school for dressing, and those who transcend move on to other pursuits. If it seems like there is a lot of pencil-pushing fastidiousness and imitative, rule-bound behavior, it's because most posters are stuck in the "rules" phase and can't get out of the chrysalis and bloom into the next stage. I think binary thinking is a signature OCD symptom, so it's telling that people rush out of one mode (say, khaki pants and chinos) and into another: i.e., HI I AM THAT GUY IN SUIT+TIE 24/7 . If you just replace one system for another, though, have you objectively improved as a person?
Originally Posted by JapanAlex01
God, hipster-ism is so easy (it's in the name, duh!): It's about being cool;
there are tendencies (clichés) amongst hipsters--like eye-rolling 24/7, track bikes (while not being a serious biker or on a track), ironic moustaches, greasy hair (that's bohemian, dude), tight jeans (which has bled into pop culture *shudders*), etc, etc.
Ironic, in the sense of hipster-ism, is about doing/wearing something, etc, that is meant to be a joke, but secretly the hipster is trying to be cool from his lack of non-conformity/uniqueness. EG: ironic moustaches.
Done. *Brushes off hands and walks away*
I think irony and sarcasm are two kinds of diseases of our modern age. Naiveté is considered passé, and to truly be with it you have to be jaded about everything. It's a kind of strange pedantry created by ennui. Blame generations of Galuoises-smoking existential philosophers. Deep down I think that hipsters are embarrassed to be sincere and have a yawning lack of amour-propre. This attitude seems to infect anyone under 40. People seem taken aback when I say things without a suggestion of cynicism or jokey irony. The assumption is that you must be stupid to act that way.