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Basted Shoulders/Sleeves on PRL Suit?? Working Buttonholes??

post #1 of 33
10/18/12 at 10:30am
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I just bought this suit which appears to have basted shoulders and sleeves:





I found what appears to be the same suit for sale by topshelfapparel which doesn't have this and the sleeve buttons are already affixed (which is how all of my other ones came):




What gives?? confused.gif
Edited by NORE - 10/22/12 at 3:04pm
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post #2 of 33
10/18/12 at 10:41am
were all your other ones ready for working sleeve buttons? Maybe its a new thing PRL is trying to do to seem higher end?
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post #3 of 33
10/18/12 at 10:47am
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Every other one I had/have came with the buttons already sewn on the sleeves except the Jerome blue label models which came with the sleeves and shoulders basted. I can't figure it out.
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post #4 of 33
10/18/12 at 10:56am
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Hmmm, the plot thickens:

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post #5 of 33
10/18/12 at 11:00am
Most polo ralph lauren suits come with the buttons attached and the sleeves basted. The only time I could see them not having the buttons attached would be if the fabric would show if they were moved.
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post #6 of 33
10/18/12 at 11:06am
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Not sure if I follow. Also, all of the ones I have bought have had the price tag attached inside the sleeve. On this one it seems that the tag hung outside the sleeve.

Also, whatup with the white thread on the shoulder?
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post #7 of 33
10/18/12 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

Not sure if I follow. Also, all of the ones I have bought have had the price tag attached inside the sleeve. On this one it seems that the tag hung outside the sleeve.
Also, whatup with the white thread on the shoulder?

Wait now you lost me. Are you asking why PRL is doing this all of a sudden or are you asking why the thread is there in the first place? If its the latter then its because for the sleeves its to hold it together until you take it to a tailor to have working sleeve buttons put in so its not flopping about since the sleeve is technically open. And for the shoulders its there to help keep the shape while its on the store racks. If you are asking about why PRL is doing this all of a sudden my guess is that they are trying to be more high end.
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post #8 of 33
10/20/12 at 6:34am
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Since I have never seen this before I'm asking if maybe the suit I purchased perhaps had some alterations done or was a MTO that wasn't retrieved? I have never seen any of this on the OTR suits.
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post #9 of 33
10/22/12 at 1:56pm
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OK so the suit just arrived. ZOMG it it AWESOME!! The sleeves are indeed basted and ready for working cuffs to be installed ( the lining is sewn in correctly to accept surgeon cuffs). I must say I have never seen this on any of the mainline PRL suits and must be the start of something great. First the higher armholes, then the slimmer cuts, now this. I am so excited and happy at this point to have stuck with them thru it all.

I will take a closer look at construction (not going to cut it open ala jefferyd) to see if they are now offering a full floating chest canvas. Stay tuned.
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post #10 of 33
10/22/12 at 2:03pm
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to see if they are now offering a full floating chest canvas. Stay tuned.

All chest pieces are floating. There is no such thing as a non-floating chest piece.
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post #11 of 33
10/22/12 at 2:04pm
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All chest pieces are floating. There is no such thing as a non-floating chest piece.

Got it. Maybe I meant the canvas lapel roll or whatever it is that they were offering as part of the half-canvas job.

Have you ever seen this on a PRL suit? Do you happen to have any intel on what direction, if any, they are going with this?
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post #12 of 33
10/22/12 at 2:10pm
Some stores request that the suits be shipped to them with basting thread intact on the shoulder or pockets or sleeves. They also request that the buttons be sewn on or not and presented in a bag in the pocket. Some stores do not request these details. It's based on the store owner or buyer's point of view about presentation of the suit on the hanger. Nothing to tell here beyond presentation and so called marketing.
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post #13 of 33
10/22/12 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

Got it. Maybe I meant the canvas lapel roll or whatever it is that they were offering as part of the half-canvas job.
Have you ever seen this on a PRL suit? Do you happen to have any intel on what direction, if any, they are going with this?

If it's half canvas, then it definitely has canvas in the lapel. Go find that thread and get studying.

It's a long time since I looked at a PRL garment; it's not uncommon for manufacturers to modify features of the garment from season to season.
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post #14 of 33
10/22/12 at 2:14pm
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Got it. Maybe I meant the canvas lapel roll or whatever it is that they were offering as part of the half-canvas job.
Have you ever seen this on a PRL suit? Do you happen to have any intel on what direction, if any, they are going with this?

All Polo suits and sport coats are half-canvassed. Black Label and Purple Label are full. Jeffery is not fond of Polo suiting. For me, however, they have one particular model/size that works for me so I have a bunch of them.
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post #15 of 33
10/22/12 at 2:20pm
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Some stores request that the suits be shipped to them with basting thread intact on the shoulder or pockets or sleeves. They also request that the buttons be sewn on or not and presented in a bag in the pocket. Some stores do not request these details. It's based on the store owner or buyer's point of view about presentation of the suit on the hanger. Nothing to tell here beyond presentation and so called marketing.

Thank you. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your and jd's input here. Please see my question/response below...

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If it's half canvas, then it definitely has canvas in the lapel. Go find that thread and get studying.
It's a long time since I looked at a PRL garment; it's not uncommon for manufacturers to modify features of the garment from season to season.

I have read that thread infinitely and just so you are aware, I'm not caught up in the half/full canvas thing as some are around here. I settled on PRL suits (even after trying RLPL) because I like the way they fit OTR and they fulfill my needs in a suit. (I hope that didn't come across wrong).

Now then, I have always known PRL suits to be half canvas after the made in the USA period and am cool with that. I just don't get why (Despos, here:) they would offer sleeves ready to accept functioning cuff buttons on these suits (Bradford model, I have another Bradford for sale in my sig if you need pic references) when they have never done that outside of their signature line (RLBL & RLPL excluded). I will snap a pic. I currently have 12 PRL suit coats hanging in my closet and while they all came with the sleeve buttons fastened with very nice shanks like they could function, the sleeve lining underneath says different.
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