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Looking for Inexpensive Shoe Options under $400 - Wholecuts preferred

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Hello There,

I was looking to get some shoes for around the $200-$300 range, My max would be $400 for excellent shoes (like the John Lobb Becket's I bought for 250 GBP at the factory store). The leather has to be close to the quality of the Lobbs. I don't mind seconds or rejects but I have no way of going to the factory store as I moved back to the states from the UK a couple of years back.

The Grenson Trents were ones I looked at many years back (I Haven't been on the forum in a few years and had posted something about this maybe 5-7 years ago). I checked out Shipton & Heneage Wentworth's a few years back but was NOT impressed with the leather they used, it felt a bit too synthetically treated and plastic looking for my taste and seemed to crease too easily.

I definitely want Wholecuts but something like the Beckets or Dickens by JL are good as well where they have a little bit of stitching or design around the laces. G&G, Grenson, Crocket and Jones (Only some of the special edition Japanese ones I've liked), Edward Green, John Lobb were all shoes where I consider the leather quality aesthetically pleasing and high quality. I don't really like Church's as the leather looks a bit plasticky to me and Vass (The U Last being the only exception) too much as they look a bit too utilitarian and industrial. I would also consider something like Bontoni, Berluti, etc... even though it is blakestitched, although ideally I would prefer goodyear welted.

I would only consider buying new shoes (I don't wear used clothes except for outerwear such as jackets and wool sweaters) and would prefer something that is either on sale or is a 2nd or reject, just to get the highest quality possible for my money. I have seen some Bruno Magli and other more mass produced brands selling for around $200 on sale so that MIGHT be a consideration. They don't have to be handgrade but that is a definite plus.

Let me know what suggestions you guys have and please post photo's with them. Perhaps we can create a great list of shoes. If I order online it would be great if I could get them returned (That's why Yoox seems to be great) if they don't fit.

Thank you,
Daniel
post #2 of 12

http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/product-info.php?&brandid=6&shoeid=5194

 

Got a pair of Herrings and the quality isn't too bad at all - Here's their wholecut in burgundy, brown suede and black. I quite like the burgundy.

 

Don't know their price but here's a C&J offering with some punching:

http://www.crockettandjones.com/Product/Grenville-Tan

 

Though I would add that trying to get handgrade  at this pricepoint is going to be nye on impossible unless you manage to find a gem on eBay 

post #3 of 12
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http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/product-info.php?&brandid=6&shoeid=5194

Got a pair of Herrings and the quality isn't too bad at all - Here's their wholecut in burgundy, brown suede and black. I quite like the burgundy.

Don't know their price but here's a C&J offering with some punching:
http://www.crockettandjones.com/Product/Grenville-Tan

Though I would add that trying to get handgrade  at this pricepoint is going to be nye on impossible unless you manage to find a gem on eBay 

Thanks for these suggestions. These Herrings are exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, although the leather looks like it might be crease a bit... Both colours look decent, especially for the price but the Suede brown look much more expensive. Why is it that cheap suede always look more rich and better quality than mid-grade leather? Are they made in Northampton? Must be made in the same factory as the Shipton and Henage and some other such shoemakers? I think essentially some of these kinds of shoes are made by one factory for a bunch of different companies...

The C&Js on the other hand look superbly crafted, but unfortunately I can't stand the punching. No punching and no brogue, just simple understated elegance for me.

I don't necessarily need handgrade shoes, I just wanted the leather to be topnotch as I have gotten used to the feel and look of the JL's I bought at the factory store.

Keep em coming! :-)
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Something like this would be nice but in Black: http://www.carminashoemaker.com/web/hom/coleccion_modelo_detalle.php?lang=eng&dist=h&id_col=17&id_mod=54&id_modFull=0,53,105,69,68,67,66,65,64,63,62,61,60,59,58,57,56,55,54,106

This is also OK and cheap but sole seems a bit thick. Carmina's seem better quality: http://store.georges-shoes.com/en/product/orleans-345-n

Don't know how much it is or how to get a hold of it? I want to compile a list so if you have any more to suggest it would be great!
Edited by crwecko - 10/18/12 at 4:36pm
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Lurk moar.
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You mean like this? http://www.carmina.telemaco.es/articulo.asp?idarticulo=3640207

Yup but it doesn't look that nice in Black... for some reason the black leather suddenly looks cheaper, the Blue ones look nice but way over my price range! I think it's the Shell Cordovan vs. calfskin. The more people can suggest the better! Thank you! :-)

I feel like black leather is the easiest to discern between expensive/nice and cheap quality leather.
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Yup but it doesn't look that nice in Black... for some reason the black leather suddenly looks cheaper, the Blue ones look nice but way over my price range! I think it's the Shell Cordovan vs. calfskin. The more people can suggest the better! Thank you! :-)
I feel like black leather is the easiest to discern between expensive/nice and cheap quality leather.

 

Meermin's "Linea Maestro" offers this one, although I can't speak to the leather quality:

 

http://meermin.es/ficha_articulo.php?id=1982

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Meermin's "Linea Maestro" offers this one, although I can't speak to the leather quality:

http://meermin.es/ficha_articulo.php?id=1982

Best brand so far in terms of price, style, and quality combination. How do I go about ordering them? Do they make everything at their own workshop in Spain? Are there any shops in the US that sell this brand? What if the fit is not right? I really wish I lived in Europe so that I would have a lot more choices!
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Best brand so far in terms of price, style, and quality combination. How do I go about ordering them? Do they make everything at their own workshop in Spain? Are there any shops in the US that sell this brand? What if the fit is not right? I really wish I lived in Europe so that I would have a lot more choices!

Send an email to them and they'll take you through the process to place your order. They can address questions about sizing and returns. There's a large Meermin thread here at SF you can read about sizing; consensus is size down 1 from US size, which is what I did and it was correct, but my shoes are on a different last. Yes, made in Spain. No, not sold in the US.
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Send an email to them and they'll take you through the process to place your order. They can address questions about sizing and returns. There's a large Meermin thread here at SF you can read about sizing; consensus is size down 1 from US size, which is what I did and it was correct, but my shoes are on a different last. Yes, made in Spain. No, not sold in the US.

So I emailed Meermin through their contact sheet online but got no reply. It's been almost two weeks! I really wanted to order them... :-( Any Ideas?
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So I emailed Meermin with my measurements length is 280MM and width is 112mm. This doesn't seem right at all... I wear 9.5UK E in John Lobs and I think they said that if I got the wides (EE or F...) it would be a 9UK but they are way too long for my feet. I know I have wide feet but still. Her measurements for the AMA last were:

> L 304mm shoe sole 8,5UK - L 308mm shoe sole 9UK - L 312mm shoe
> sole 9,5UK.
> W 106mm shoe sole 8,5UK - W 108mm shoe sole 9UK - W 110mm shoe
> sole 9,5UK.
> L 286mm last(insole)8,5UK - L 290mm last(insole)9UK - L 294mm
> last(insole)9,5UK.
> W 100mm last(insole)8,5UK - W 102mm last(insole)9UK - W 104mm
> last(insole)9,5UK.
> Foot 26,8 cm 8,5UK - Foot 27,2 cm 9UK - Foot 27,6 cm

I don't know how this could be possible... I thought Meermin's were supposed to be wide shoes? I can't order a 10UK shoe, maybe I am measuring incorrectly? I am not sure what size to order and they have no idea what advice to give me... They said it's impossible for my feet to be a size 10UK in width and size 8UK in length... I must be doing something wrong...

Boots I normally wear 8UK. Shoes can vary from 8UK to 9.5UK depending on width. I was thinking of ordering an 8.5UK to go by length rather than width and hope they stretch out a bit? I have no arch in my foot, it's just a big flat bigfoot type of foot...
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