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post #16 of 35
If you spend large amounts of time out in the rain you should consider shoes with oiled finishes that do not take, nor need a polish.

Also consider something with a synthetic sole.
Edited by Gdot - 10/14/12 at 4:27pm
post #17 of 35
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Instead of researching proper maintenance you decided to saturate the leather with dubbin and then overpolish? Oysters, I have no sympathy for you. and where are the photos of said shoes?

Every forum I join, everyone always hates me.  I'm used to that.  frown.gif
I don't have a good camera and there's no point in taking pictures because you won't be able to catch the difference anyway (especially with my bad camera).  The problem is more in the texture.  And I was researching for 2 weeks looking for every site possible.  I don't have time to dedicate hours of research to shoes.  I just need a quick solution.  Dubbin has been working great.  And, in fact, by the time I had bought my Dubbin the shoes had already cracked on the back from all the water in London.  Dubbin healed the cracks into small scuffs after 1 application, and after the second application today it's looking even better.  

I don't hate you Oysters See? >>> smile.gif
post #18 of 35
this is a trainwreck.

1. You bought cheap crappy dress shoes.
2. If you read that you should polish your shoes every day, you read incorrectly
3. If you really walk around in the rain all the time, get overshoes.
4. Buy 2 or 3 pairs of higher quality shoes, let them rest, and get overshoes to protect them.
post #19 of 35
Let's go easy on the guy- don't forget what it was like starting out. Oysters, you are getting good advice.
post #20 of 35
I always thought dubbin was something you used on work boots or hiking books, never on dress shoes.

Quadcammer's comments strike me as spot-on although I might have tried to express the same things a bit more gently and diplomatically.

I don't hate you Oysters. I love oysters!
post #21 of 35
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I hear that a lot.  The question is, how much more life?

If you rotate two pairs, you will more than double their life (i.e. the added life is more than just the time they are not on your feet). Beyond that it's tough to quantify - if you take proper care, the uppers on a decent quality dress shoe will last for years or even decades (they will need to be resoled however), but if you don't they won't.

There is a lot of good advice here so far. Just understand that this forum is rather free-wheeling and tends to haze its newest members (all in good fun of course), so you may have to look past the tone and focus on the content. Also, there is a massive thread devoted to shoe care that contains more information than you will ever need:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/the-official-shoe-care-thread-tutorials-photos-etc/3000_100#post_5814055

Best of luck.
post #22 of 35
Wearing the same shoes every day, even without saturating them, exposed you to problems with odor, mold, and infections. If you must walk long distances in the rain, get appropriate footwear. There are plenty of choices of low boots that are truly waterproof. They will be happy wading through puddles, you will nor spend all day with wet feet, and they will last. If you buy used then the price can be quite low.

No application will make shoes waterproof. You can protect the leather from water damage, but unless the manufacturer sealed all the seams your feet will still get wet. And if water comes over the top, then no amount of wax of grease will help.
post #23 of 35
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Quadcammer's comments strike me as spot-on although I might have tried to express the same things a bit more gently and diplomatically.
!

sadly, diplomacy was never my strong suit.

sorry op for the abrasiveness
post #24 of 35
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

this is a trainwreck.
1. You bought cheap crappy dress shoes.
2. If you read that you should polish your shoes every day, you read incorrectly
3. If you really walk around in the rain all the time, get overshoes.
4. Buy 2 or 3 pairs of higher quality shoes, let them rest, and get overshoes to protect them.

1) I have yet to find better-looking dress shoes anywhere for 60 pounds.  

2) Sorry for reading incorrectly.

3) I don't walk around in the rain all the time.  I spend an average of 5-10 minutes every hour or hour and half walking outside.  More often than not, it is raining or drizzling when I am outside for those 5-10 minutes.  I read that the shoes would get salt damage if I didn't do something to them.  They also got water spots similar to these and I was afraid they would eventually get damaged.  If you want me to trod around school campus with OVERSHOES on... no.  Seriously.  

post #25 of 35
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

I always thought dubbin was something you used on work boots or hiking books, never on dress shoes.
Quadcammer's comments strike me as spot-on although I might have tried to express the same things a bit more gently and diplomatically.
I don't hate you Oysters. I love oysters!

 

Dubbin has been working wonders on my dress shoes.  They have become a deeper, darker shade of black and shine beautifully - not too much, not too little.  Is there really that much evil lurking in that little greasy container?

post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by mcbrown View Post


If you rotate two pairs, you will more than double their life (i.e. the added life is more than just the time they are not on your feet). Beyond that it's tough to quantify - if you take proper care, the uppers on a decent quality dress shoe will last for years or even decades (they will need to be resoled however), but if you don't they won't.
There is a lot of good advice here so far. Just understand that this forum is rather free-wheeling and tends to haze its newest members (all in good fun of course), so you may have to look past the tone and focus on the content. Also, there is a massive thread devoted to shoe care that contains more information than you will ever need:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/228153/the-official-shoe-care-thread-tutorials-photos-etc/3000_100#post_5814055
Best of luck.

Okay, thank you for the advice.  

 

One question: what logic is there behind dress shoes' life being more than doubled if there usage is being cut in half?  Dress shoes aren't machinery - they are just pieces of leather connected to a sole.  Why is "resting" so beneficial to shoes?  

 

Also, you're saying that the shoes could last for years or even decades.  So if I rotate two pairs, the uppers will last for two decades?!  I really don't plan on keeping my shoe for more than a year or two.  It's 60 pounds for goodness sake.  

 

Could someone recommend, then, some good shoes for $100-$200 (staying closer to $100...)?  

post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by dbhdnhdbh View Post

Wearing the same shoes every day, even without saturating them, exposed you to problems with odor, mold, and infections. If you must walk long distances in the rain, get appropriate footwear. There are plenty of choices of low boots that are truly waterproof. They will be happy wading through puddles, you will nor spend all day with wet feet, and they will last. If you buy used then the price can be quite low.
No application will make shoes waterproof. You can protect the leather from water damage, but unless the manufacturer sealed all the seams your feet will still get wet. And if water comes over the top, then no amount of wax of grease will help.

 

 

I think odor, mold, and infections is going a bit too far; I'm not worried about that.  Sorry for being foolish, but what is saturating leather?  What happens when I "saturate" leather with Dubbin?

 

I think there's a little misunderstanding; I'm not wading through puddles all day; I'm walking through light to moderate rain which I'm afraid will cause water/salt damage to the shoes.  I read that Dubbin was good against water damage, so I started applying it every 1-2 weeks, until I came here and was told not to.  Water will never come over the top.  My feet don't get wet; that's not the problem.  

post #28 of 35
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sadly, diplomacy was never my strong suit.
sorry op for the abrasiveness

 

No probs.  smile.gif

post #29 of 35
Thread Starter 

I have another slightly unrelated issue.  

 

I did kindly ask my fellow forumers to help me search for a new, higher quality dress shoe on the cheaper side of $100-$175 or so.  

 

Is it possible to find a warmer dress shoe?  My feet have been freezing all day.  

 

Is shell cordovan warmer than cowhide?  Will it keep my feet warm in lower temperatures?  I don't mind walking through 0 C for 10 minutes, but when the overall temperature of my indoor surroundings drops my feet become very cold indoors.  

post #30 of 35
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One question: what logic is there behind dress shoes' life being more than doubled if there usage is being cut in half?  Dress shoes aren't machinery - they are just pieces of leather connected to a sole.  Why is "resting" so beneficial to shoes?

Precisely - they aren't machinery, they are processed animal hide. Short version: animal hide needs rest and proper care to remain moist and supple. Think of what happens to your lips when you have a cold - the small difference between breathing mostly through your nose and breathing mostly through your mouth is enough to cause dryness and cracking. So it is with leather - the small difference between the beating they take being on your feet all day every day and the slightly lesser beating they take being on your feet all day every other day is enough to cause dryness and cracking.
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Originally Posted by Oysters View Post

Also, you're saying that the shoes could last for years or even decades. So if I rotate two pairs, the uppers will last for two decades?! I really don't plan on keeping my shoe for more than a year or two. It's 60 pounds for goodness sake.

Yes, note my caveat that I am talking about "quality" dress shoes. It may be a little hard to grasp at first, but the general consensus around here is that you can't get a "quality" dress shoe for less than $300 or so full retail (in the US - I have no idea about the UK), and maybe $200 or so for second quality or lightly used equivalents. Allen Edmonds is SF's standard recommendation for an "entry level" dress shoe in the US. For those on a tighter budget in the US, Johnston and Murphy is a decent alternative at less than $200 - quality is lower, but they look good enough to get the job done.

I'm less familiar with the hierarchy of UK brands, but surely someone here can recommend the local equivalents of AE and J&M to you.
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